Crazy Diamond
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Send this post for the people that thinks its impossible to make bonsai from seed or young nursery plants quickly
Pinus Thunbergii (5 trunks from seeds)
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clem
Chumono
It is even better and quicker with fast growing deciduous (Japanese Maple, Trident Maple etc) because with pines, you want to have mature bark on the trunk, and it takes time (i'd say 20 years minimum with JBP and scott pines.. and 40 years minimum with JWP to get mature cracked bark)
clem
Chumono
hello, some news.. the trees are more dense after last year's mekiri and the new shoots of this spring. The needles are still short in the pics, but they will grow more.
The 2 main trunks have sacrifice branches (2 sacrifice branches on the main trunk) to enable trunk thickening. I plan to let those sacrifice branches developp a few more years. I will let the 1rst branche on the main trunk grow/thicken as long as possible, because i hope this lower branche will enable taper on the main trunk..
The future crown & trunk extension of the main trunk is this branch->
yesterday, i removed the moss and a few cm of old soil, to clean up the nebari & enable the soil to dry quicker. We've had a lot of rain in Normandy this month, and it is not finished.
Before/after ->
I removed a few candles, only the longest ones because i always fear, with total mekiri, to weaken the tree. I don't have experience in mekiri and those tree's reaction yet : just done it last year
Before/after a few candles removal ->
Before/after partial mekiri on another tree (the smallest one but also the strongest one in mekiri reaction last summer) ->
For me, building a Bonsai is far more difficult/challenging with JBP than with scots pines. The "normal" needles of JBP are sooo long .. and the ramification/shoots are soooo masculine and thick. For me, JBP is not a good candidate for literati/slant style/multirunk style. Scots pines & JWP are better choices IMO.
The 2 main trunks have sacrifice branches (2 sacrifice branches on the main trunk) to enable trunk thickening. I plan to let those sacrifice branches developp a few more years. I will let the 1rst branche on the main trunk grow/thicken as long as possible, because i hope this lower branche will enable taper on the main trunk..
The future crown & trunk extension of the main trunk is this branch->
yesterday, i removed the moss and a few cm of old soil, to clean up the nebari & enable the soil to dry quicker. We've had a lot of rain in Normandy this month, and it is not finished.
Before/after ->
I removed a few candles, only the longest ones because i always fear, with total mekiri, to weaken the tree. I don't have experience in mekiri and those tree's reaction yet : just done it last year
Before/after a few candles removal ->
Before/after partial mekiri on another tree (the smallest one but also the strongest one in mekiri reaction last summer) ->
For me, building a Bonsai is far more difficult/challenging with JBP than with scots pines. The "normal" needles of JBP are sooo long .. and the ramification/shoots are soooo masculine and thick. For me, JBP is not a good candidate for literati/slant style/multirunk style. Scots pines & JWP are better choices IMO.
Beanwagon
Chumono
Looking great.
Colorado
Masterpiece
This thread inspired me to start a few similar projects myself, hopefully they turn out half this nice!
Pitoon
Imperial Masterpiece
Looking very good!
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I like this tree a lot. I'm starting some projects like this right now from seeds that I sowed earlier this year.
Everyone wants a big beefy Japanese black pine, but I think that styles like this are very under-represented for JBP.
I love to see more clump and forrest and "elegant styles" of JBP!
Everyone wants a big beefy Japanese black pine, but I think that styles like this are very under-represented for JBP.
I love to see more clump and forrest and "elegant styles" of JBP!
clem
Chumono
hello, there is no reason why you don't succeed and if you post a thread, please tag (or pm) me because i like this style too ^^
I've just posted another similar project, with "pinus flexilis" from seed, hope you enjoy too
Multitrunk of pinus flexilis (from seed)
Hello here is another long term project of pine forest, with several pines (pinus flexilis = 5 needles pines) very closed together. Sometimes some of those pines very close together die because the don't recieve enough sunlight or space inside the rootball to grow their roots (competition) so...
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Colorado
Masterpiece
hello, there is no reason why you don't succeed and if you post a thread, please tag me because i like this style too ^^
I've just posted another similar project, with "pinus flexilis" from seed, hope you enjoy too
Multitrunk of pinus flexilis (from seed)
Hello here is another long term project of pine forest, with several pines (pinus flexilis = 5 needles pines) very closed together. Sometimes some of those pines very close together die because the don't recieve enough sunlight or space inside the rootball to grow their roots (competition) so...www.bonsainut.com
Funny coincidence, my similar projects are pinus flexilis also! I will post a photo when I am home from work
clem
Chumono
coolFunny coincidence, my similar projects are pinus flexilis also! I will post a photo when I am home from work
cmeg1
Imperial Masterpiece
Wow…totally inspired.Really is diifficult to get pictures of Kabudachi Black Pines….especially starts from seedlings.
I looked and looked online and was definately slim pickings for sure. Thanks a bunch for sharing this progression.
I have made loads of these lol
Seedling cuttings.
I looked and looked online and was definately slim pickings for sure. Thanks a bunch for sharing this progression.
I have made loads of these lol
Seedling cuttings.
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Here is some clump style inspiration that just so happens to be one of my favorite Japanese black pine bonsai that I have seen. It could be considered a clump or a forest style.
the first picture is from a fairly recent exhibit in Japan and the second is a photo from 1977 to see how it has developed over the years
the first picture is from a fairly recent exhibit in Japan and the second is a photo from 1977 to see how it has developed over the years
clem
Chumono
wow very nice : so old looking and so ramified. The branches look very old too, even in 1977. Do you know the height of the tree ?
I think there aren't many literati or clump style with JBP because the JWP is far more suitable for this : small & fine needles, fine ramifications (feminine characteristics). IMO the JBP is so masculine (deep bark, deep ramifications, fat and long needles) that it is rarely chosen to make this style (literati or clump). The JRP has long needles too by the way.
clem
Chumono
thanks for the pics. your production is mastered and huge ! If you have already a thread in this forum with the evolution of 1 or more of your forests, i'm interested to see it (link?)
Btw i have also 2 clumps of Japanese red pines in the ground (red arrows) ^^ pic from last year ->
cmeg1
Imperial Masterpiece
Great work good job yeah I’m definitely keeping a couple of them big ones probably a couple red and a couple Black Pine Kabudachi‘s and I’ll make a thread
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Yes I'm sure it's a very old tree. I'm not sure of the age or the exact height. I believe it is a chuhin size bonsai so I would estimate maybe 19-20 inches tall?
And I agree JWP and JRP may be better suited for these styles, but lets not forget they call the Japanese black pine the king of bonsai for a reason. It is a very versatile species that is capable of taking many forms for bonsai.
Anyways, your clump JBP is fantastic and I look forward to following it's progression!
n8
Chumono
clem
Chumono
yes, and the JWP is called "the queen" for its feminine characteristics & qualities ^^
Hartinez
Masterpiece
This is an excellent project Clem. Great work.
