No idea if this is common

I have seen albino squirrels in iowa
 
I got a twenty says Lancemac is eating that white ass doe by 4:30PM CST.

Sorce
 
They're not too common at all.
All black is even rarer.
Pretty animal.
I need about 2 feet of that perlite.
It's 50 degrees here.
 
Only ever seen one here, very pretty, I don't think they last long...
 
Usually internals are good....

But hunted.....

If it was a regular deer....
I would have had to give Lance till Tomoro!

Sorce
 
Well I imagine for predation they'd be at a disadvantage. I don't know about hunters, if they'd feel the need to take something rare like this. The recessive gene that causes the trait, can also have other genetic defects along with the coloration.
 
In Seneca NY, there is an old abandoned munitions dump. There is a herd of these puppies running around within the gated perimeter. A few non-profits are trying to secure funding to buy some acreage to protect this herd. The property is up for bid. They have been there since 1941!!

And I imagine they taste great, just like every deer on the hoof!!!:cool:
 
There's loads of deer around here. Never seen, or even heard of, a white one.
 
LanceMac10 said:
In Seneca NY, there is an old abandoned munitions dump. There is a herd of these puppies running around within the gated perimeter. A few non-profits are trying to secure funding to buy some acreage to protect this herd. The property is up for bid. They have been there since 1941!!

And I imagine they taste great, just like every deer on the hoof!!!:cool:
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I wonder if what you are seeing is true albinism. There are a rare type of deer that are white normally.
http://protectthewhitedeer.com/albino-questions
 
In Isla Vista, next to UCSB, there is a famous population of albino raccoons. They used to think it was just one, until he got hit by a car and the sightings continued!
The deer is beautiful.
 
Smoke said:
You mean like short life span? Or hunted?
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Interesting picture in that is does not appear to have any brown but it does not have red eyes. To me that would be considered a Piebald not an Albino. In New York the Piebald is pretty uncommon but I have shot one and so have three of my friends.

I have ever only seen one Albino in New York off season. I was shot the following season by a local there and the local American Indians blew a fuse!

There was a Albino shot here in Pennsylvania last season after being protected by the land owner for 6 years - he allowed it to be taken down as it would have not survived the Winter. It was aged to a point where the teeth in the rear of the jaw were ground smooth. The guy that shot it was really ridiculed anyways even though his intent was to have it stuffed for display at a local Museum. :confused:

White tail deer can live awhile in captivity. I "think" about 10 years but in the wild it is far shorter at around 4 1/2 years. Also I am pretty certain Piebald deer have a shorter lifespan as they usually have other deformities.

Nice picture though!

Grimmy
 
JudyB said:
I wonder if what you are seeing is true albinism.
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"Amelanism" would probably be the most specific technical term to use. It's pink nose is a pretty good giveaway that a melanin related gene is deficient. If it was pied or leucistic it would probably have a black nose or at least a little pattern.
 
Leucistic.....probably an amino deficiency related to skin pigmentation. Not albino....they have brown eyes. Nice eyes, Grimmy....just how white are YOU?:p
 
It looks like the one Smoke posted may be albino.
Here is one from NY....

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It is simply a White deer, not an Albino. Here is a quote from Outdoor Life Magazine to give all a better insight, I lived in that region for many years and it was a common local discussion -

"Another piece that I found particularly fascinating centered around New York’s Seneca Army Depot which, at the time, was home to the world’s largest herd of white deer.

“The story begins in 1941 at an army depot in Seneca County, NY when some soldiers noticed a couple white deer roaming inside their 24-square-mile fenced-off base,” explains blogger Dylan Thuras. “Realizing that something strange (and wonderful) was afoot, the General ordered the soldiers to protect the white deer. While the soldiers continued to hunt brown deer inside the confines of the reserve, the white ones were allowed to breed. With predators were kept at bay by a giant fence, and pressure put on the brown deer by hunting, the white deer population was able to explode. (These blanched deer are not albinos, as you might assume, but rather possess two copies of another rare recessive gene for whiteness.) There are now 200 of them roaming the grounds, the largest herd of white deer anywhere in the world.”

http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/hunting/2012/10/deer-different-color

Grimmy
 
GrimLore said:
It is simply a White deer, not an Albino. Here is a quote from Outdoor Life Magazine to give all a better insight, I lived in that region for many years and it was a common local discussion -

"Another piece that I found particularly fascinating centered around New York’s Seneca Army Depot which, at the time, was home to the world’s largest herd of white deer.

“The story begins in 1941 at an army depot in Seneca County, NY when some soldiers noticed a couple white deer roaming inside their 24-square-mile fenced-off base,” explains blogger Dylan Thuras. “Realizing that something strange (and wonderful) was afoot, the General ordered the soldiers to protect the white deer. While the soldiers continued to hunt brown deer inside the confines of the reserve, the white ones were allowed to breed. With predators were kept at bay by a giant fence, and pressure put on the brown deer by hunting, the white deer population was able to explode. (These blanched deer are not albinos, as you might assume, but rather possess two copies of another rare recessive gene for whiteness.) There are now 200 of them roaming the grounds, the largest herd of white deer anywhere in the world.”

http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/hunting/2012/10/deer-different-color

Grimmy
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Finally, a bonsai nut post where my zoology education and years of animal breeding are relevant! Haha.
If I've learned anything in my experience with selective breeding of such mutations, it is that many different genotypes can cause very similar phenotypes. Without genetic testing or breeding experiments to show otherwise, a white deer from New York and a white deer from California can look exactly the same and still have completely different genetic mechanisms underlying their appearance.
Mammalian melanin genes are well studied, and genetic testing would be straightforward if it was really important to know for sure. Without it, we're left to speculate, and I'll stick with mine.
Finally, the red-eyes thing can be a bit deceiving, as most large mammal albinos don't have white-lab-rat level red eyes. They are often a very disappointing pale whitish-pinkish-bluish; especially in photographs where lighting is everything.
 
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