My 1st Itoigawa

This kind of color is a clue that its going downfall specially if we at the growing season already.
Itoigawa is a strong variety. I water mine everyday and its green and doesnt fade.

Maybe its related to the root work done ?
I've heard more folks say that itoigawa was more finicky than kishu than I've heard it's a strong variety.

The soil it was in never needed watering. That's 1st clue of root issues, the lack of water uptake. It needed root work or failure wad imminent due to the high organic content. I do wish I had left more roots now sure but my kishus I repotted don't have the leave me alone attitude this one exhibited.
 
Same thing happened with one I purchased that was totally rootbound in it’s nursery container. I removed about half the roots. It is still alive. Definitely pouting still two years later but this season managed to grow some. I reckon 3 more years I’ll be able to work the branches. Hope yours pulls through.
Wow! Me too hope it makes it.
 
Hmm, that's a bummer. I hope it pulls through. It's got a beautiful trunk. Maybe treat it like a freshly collected yamadori with not enough roots to support the foliage mass and give it some night misting + afternoon shade + keep the roots cool? I'm just spitballing here.
 
Hmm, that's a bummer. I hope it pulls through. It's got a beautiful trunk. Maybe treat it like a freshly collected yamadori with not enough roots to support the foliage mass and give it some night misting + afternoon shade + keep the roots cool? I'm just spitballing here.
Thanx @Esolin I've moved it off the hot porch and have been misting it throughout the day since potting. I think I got lax on misting recently but never fully stopped.
Now that it's July I'll start thinning others and necessary cut backs.
 
Dang. I cut my Itoigawa roots down very hard when first repotting from a nursery can. Usually no issues going straight into lava/akadama mix. Itoigawa are much stronger than kishu for me.

This is my girlfriend’s tree.

January 2023 cut back hard from nursery can and put in a bonsai pot
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October 2023 in my club show
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Dang. I cut my Itoigawa roots down very hard when first repotting from a nursery can. Usually no issues going straight into lava/akadama mix. Itoigawa are much stronger than kishu for me.

This is my girlfriend’s tree.

January 2023 cut back hard from nursery can and put in a bonsai pot
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October 2023 in my club show
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This confirms the health of the root system when I purchased it. Going out now to cut the brown out.
 
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Removed all the dead and brown foliage

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Runner beginning to colapse

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Before

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After
 
Looking pretty rough man, wonder what’s going on. Root issues maybe.
 
Looking pretty rough man, wonder what’s going on. Root issues maybe.
My first thought also Paul . Especially with as healthy as all your other trees look. I went back and looked at your earlier repot posts and can’t help but think there is something suspicious happening at the core of that original rootball left behind at repot.
 
Looking pretty rough man, wonder what’s going on. Root issues maybe.

is something suspicious happening at the core of that original rootball left behind at repot.
I don't think it's anything left behind, more what was not left (unlike the success @Ruddigger had above)
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This is what was left at time of potting down from can in April. I 2 stepped my repots through any frost and freezing weather.
I've misted frequently, and uptake of water is possibly a touch faster now, but it's a lot hotter, so not sure if it's more evaporation
or actual uptake. I also used a liquid rooting hormone (K-L-N), with waterings for 5 or 6 weeks off and on after potting. Always do.

Should I fertilize with low 90's forecasted for a couple of days next week?
Hurricane Beryls moisture will cut the temps mid next week for a few days.
I think I'll just use Espoma Plant Tone.
 
I've moved it off the hot porch and have been misting it throughout the day since potting. I think I got lax on misting recently but never fully stopped.
Now that it's July I'll start thinning others and necessary cut backs.
I've heard some say night misting is better. That's what Tom Vuong does with yamadori junipers that have compromised roots. Keeps them in cool diffused light, mists them at night, and hardly waters the roots. I think the theory is that too much day misting stop transpiration/growth, so they can't recover. And if they aren't transpiring water, the remaining roots rot in the wet soil.

Then again, going into 90 degree weather might not be the best time to change your routine. You're in a tough situation with this one. Hard to know what will help when it's already in decline.
 
I've heard some say night misting is better. That's what Tom Vuong does with yamadori junipers that have compromised roots. Keeps them in cool diffused light, mists them at night, and hardly waters the roots. I think the theory is that too much day misting stop transpiration/growth, so they can't recover. And if they aren't transpiring water, the remaining roots rot in the wet soil.

Then again, going into 90 degree weather might not be the best time to change your routine. You're in a tough situation with this one. Hard to know what will help when it's already in decline.
We usually run around 100% RH at night. Night misting would increase disease.
 
Holy Bejesus!! So sorry to see your tree take such a hit.

Saw very similar situation with the Hinoki and Junipers my brother in law ‘gave to us’, along with six other trees with a plethora of dead branches, cedar apple rust, bugs, weeds and other horticultural issues. Seven absolute work bombs… but great challenges all the same! Three were Junipers. All healthy today.

The great news is Junipers have a will to live unlike any tree we have worked on. Itoigawa is no different than Kishu, Shimpaku or any of the others we’ve worked with in this respect. Just have to come up with the thing that will let the tree turn the corner.

My thoughts picked up on something while reviewing the thread. Certainly could be wrong. I think there is a lens effect going on.

Many times the internal root ball has materials that are decayed and more roots. (Also when when the tree is tied down the area gets more compact. The result is internal root ball has a less interstitial spaces for gas/fluid exchange and holds on to water longer compared to new media .

The addition of more porous media around the root ball sets the lens effect. Outside media, where only a few roots exist, gets super gas/fluid exchange. On the other hand, the core rootball area has less gas/fluid exchange. Water flows much slower in the area, which stagnates and roots become unhappy.

… and watering needs become extremely hard to guage. Resulting in underwatering or overwatering issues.

It is why do not like HBR as a rote response because this issue doesn’t always show up. Imho this technique depends on a person being able to accurately compare the existing media’s fluid/gas exchange to the new media. Certainly it’s different in all cases, but sometimes, the difference is so much, issues show up. But enough different to cause big issues.

The best solution we have found is to drill the core, especially angling inward and under the shin. We do this on just about every repot that seems iffy. Have never lost a tree we drilled. Nowadays mostly use a concrete impact drill bit (broader tip) but not always, and just let the drill find its way around the roots. (A friend of mine uses a steel rod instead of a drill.)

Also may want to chock up one side of the pot for awhile to keep things on the dry side.

Personally would leave it at that, no root enhancer, no fertilizer for awhile, just water. Don’t want to inadvertently compound the issue.

If one wants to also lean on a chemical solution too, would use hydrogen peroxide 3% and flush after 10 minutes.

The other go to is ZeroTol - very effective for root issues but one needs to be knowledgeable when using this product. Please read Michael Hagedorn’s blog about its use. Also please read this SDS. Store properly - it is a potent oxidizer.

Just my thoughts. In any event sincerely hope the tree pulls out of this decline.

Best
DSD sends
 
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