Allow the laid off IT guy to fix it.http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ep-tPZiHEGU/SJyG4zxzszI/AAAAAAAABh4/nSWvFAXkbwk/Picture+286.jpg
Jason, no wonder you got laid off.............
keep it green,
Harry
Marco Invernizzi's new tool - "Ichiban"
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Jason, no wonder you got laid off.............
keep it green,
Harry
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Yamadori
It works for me.Jason, no wonder you got laid off.............
keep it green,
Harry
treebeard55
Chumono
Marco, apparently I haven't made myself clear enough, and I apologize.
I was not trying to say that you are "full of yourself." But you sometimes can appear that way to people in this country, because of differences in cultural perceptions. (Forgive my Yankee bluntness; another cultural difference.)
Let me try to give an example of the sort of thing I mean. In the US, we beckon "come here" with the palm of the hand up; in Ecuador and thruout Latin America, one beckons "come here" with the palm of the hand down. More than once, I've forgotten and beckoned with my palm down to someone in the US, and they haven't had the slightest idea what I meant! I made my gesture under one set of cultural assumptions, and they saw it thru the "lens" of different cultural assumptions.
It's the same sort of perceptual difference. Your "body language" and mannerisms are the products of your own culture, while people in the US see them thru the "lens" of their own culture. The result can be misunderstanding. In my earlier post, I was trying to address that misunderstanding, and perhaps do something to lessen it.
Personally, I don't think you're especially "full of yourself." That was clear to me in St. Louis, once I remembered to "switch lenses." I remember explaining something about that to my wife, who unlike me doesn't have the advantage of having grown up in a multi-cultural setting.
And I certainly didn't think you made a fool of yourself in that demo. You did a fine job. I remember wondering what in the world even a bonsai master could do with that runaway tree, and then being amazed at the result. I learned some things about what could be done in styling in the process. I'm glad I was able to be there.
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Omono
Good Point Treebeard
Treebeard this is a very good point and one that comes up on the web forums all the time and in real life....
These concepts have been studied a lot......and what we call common sense in one culture can and is completely different in another.
Neville Moray concluded that “Eventually conscious reactions change when living in a new culture. But it seems highly likely, that the stereotypical habit acquired over many years in one population will from time to time interfere with performance even with much practice, and particularly in an emergency where a rapid skill based reaction is required”
So we have to try and understand the others point of view or even their written dialogue from their own set of common sense rules which is the knowledge and experience from within their own cultural upbringing.
Cheers
Treebeard this is a very good point and one that comes up on the web forums all the time and in real life....
These concepts have been studied a lot......and what we call common sense in one culture can and is completely different in another.
Neville Moray concluded that “Eventually conscious reactions change when living in a new culture. But it seems highly likely, that the stereotypical habit acquired over many years in one population will from time to time interfere with performance even with much practice, and particularly in an emergency where a rapid skill based reaction is required”
So we have to try and understand the others point of view or even their written dialogue from their own set of common sense rules which is the knowledge and experience from within their own cultural upbringing.
Cheers
There is a strange thing that comes over me when I'm around Brits, I start talking with an accent, what is that, my wife always ask me what is going on, you're not from England, actually my ancestors were, but that was a very long time ago. I don't do it to Marco with Italian, except to tease him.
keep it green,
Harry
I'm biased, but this is the only board that any bonsai master has contributed to that I know of, it was of course in defence of his new tool. What happens, he gets insulted. he has been back on a couple of occasions, but has not posted. Perhaps if we treat him a little kinder, since he's not used to our forwardness, he may stay. My point is, if he comes here, we could get some styling tips for our trees if we asked, and other helpful hints from one of the top masters in the business.
keep it green,
Harry
keep it green,
Harry
tom tynan
Mame
I'm biased, but this is the only board that any bonsai master has contributed to that I know of, it was of course in defence of his new tool.
Your joking of course ?? I have read various posts by Walter Pall, William Valavanis and Brent Walston from Evergreen Gardenworks. I will not debate the meaning of master....but their work should speak for itself at this point....Tom.
Your joking of course ?? I have read various posts by Walter Pall, William Valavanis and Brent Walston from Evergreen Gardenworks. I will not debate the meaning of master....but their work should speak for itself at this point....Tom.
Your right, I should have said Japanese trained.....
Although I don't have a clue where Bill Valavanis or Brent Walston received their training, maybe Japan.
I am biased for two reasons, Marco is my friend and traditional Japanese styling is really all I care much for.
Keep it green,
Harry
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Chris Johnston
Omono
This isn't exactly true. BonsaiTALK used to have Walter Pall contributing regularly until the trolls got the best of him.
And in fact, Boon is posting currently at bonsaistudygroup.com including some of his own trees. It is very important to nurture these relationships, as Harry has said. Otherwise it's a downward trend as the more experienced enthusiasts get trashed by the wannabes and eventually quit posting.
Chris
Am I mistaken, or didn't Boon recieve his traning in Japan...
keep it green,
Harry
Shima
Omono
The benchmark forum was the original Internetbonsaiclub.com. It was a true international bonsai forum with regular contributors from well known and respected pro's, and amateurs from Norway to Italy, Russia to Bali. We were kind and respectful to each other for the most part and it was a great source of cutting-edge information and comaraderie. It fell to hackers but is up in a limited way with full recovery coming.
Klytus
Omono
Maybe they need to learn the use of an Alias.
Chris Johnston
Omono
Yes he did, but I don't understand the question. You just mentioned that Marco was the only master you had seen posting on a forum. Didn't Marco receive his instruction in Japan, too? With Kimura?
Chris
Everyone has gotten so paranoid anymore, maybe I'm the cause. I know Boon has a large following and I don't know much about him, so I was just asking if that was where he studied. You are correct about Marco, have a good evening.
keep it green,
Harry
Klytus
Omono
On a warm summers evening...
I would like to post some trees there at times, but it's to much trouble, they have to be on the net and not on your computer, so I don't bother.
keep it green,
Harry
Marco Invernizzi
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Dear Mr.TreeBeard 55,
thank you for your reply. I appreciate every word of it.
I don't find this is the best opportunity to talk about me or my career. I know what I have archived so far and I know what people don't like to admit about myself. It's all good to me. My grandma loves me very much! that's what matters to me.
We are here to talk about the first ever tool designed by a Bonsai Master. How many professional there are in the bonsai world? Thousands and thousands, but so far no one came out with a tool that can be used by everybody, with any tree, in every country at any age.
My dear friend Cheng Cheng Kung from Taiwan designed and sales a set of carving tools for soft wood trees. It's an amazing set of tools but so far everyone who I know that owns it doesn't really know how to use it and most of all doesn't work on the trees for which the set of tools has been created for.
So let's focus on ICHIBAN. There are any more questions?
regards to all from Iceland
thank you for your reply. I appreciate every word of it.
I don't find this is the best opportunity to talk about me or my career. I know what I have archived so far and I know what people don't like to admit about myself. It's all good to me. My grandma loves me very much! that's what matters to me.
We are here to talk about the first ever tool designed by a Bonsai Master. How many professional there are in the bonsai world? Thousands and thousands, but so far no one came out with a tool that can be used by everybody, with any tree, in every country at any age.
My dear friend Cheng Cheng Kung from Taiwan designed and sales a set of carving tools for soft wood trees. It's an amazing set of tools but so far everyone who I know that owns it doesn't really know how to use it and most of all doesn't work on the trees for which the set of tools has been created for.
So let's focus on ICHIBAN. There are any more questions?
regards to all from Iceland
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Banned
I would probably get banned the first week.............
But on the other hand, I can keep it civil when I need to, it's just not as much fun....
keep it green,
Harry
Marco, are there bonsai in Iceland...... Eric the Red switched the names of Iceland that is green and Greenland that's ice, see I know some things.
When will we be able to buy ICHIBAN in the US and who will be selling it..?
Ciao,
Harry
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