Lance's JBP....
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Oh... One more rule of thumb:
The lowest branch on the composition should be on the smaller tree.
Lance, your tree has the lowest branch on the smaller tree, so that's good!
This tree has great potential. With a little work, some time, and application of the correct technique at the right time, this tree could be a very nice twin trunk.
The lowest branch on the composition should be on the smaller tree.
Lance, your tree has the lowest branch on the smaller tree, so that's good!
This tree has great potential. With a little work, some time, and application of the correct technique at the right time, this tree could be a very nice twin trunk.
sorce
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I am really impressed with the growth you got here!
However, please read that as, this tree Looks weak and ill.
So you dont do too much too fast!
Have you come up with a trunk for shortening, or an Angle?
Sorce
However, please read that as, this tree Looks weak and ill.
So you dont do too much too fast!
Have you come up with a trunk for shortening, or an Angle?
Sorce
LanceMac10
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Here is a picture from November during needle-pulling. Only the tops are done here....looking for other pictures...
Leo in N E Illinois
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I think the tree looks pretty healthy, but as you mentioned, when you got it, health was pretty weak. Going slow may be a good idea. If you leave a good scattering of old needles, when you candle prune in June, say of 2017, or 2018, you can go back 2 or sometimes 3 years, if you still have some older needles on the section you prune back to.
I've had many JBP failures, few successes, most failures were thinking a JBP was 'healthy' and ready, when it wasn't strong enough. Right now my oldest JBP has been with me less than 5 years, started over so to speak. So not sure you should follow my suggestions or not.
I like Adair's thoughts toward final design. Second trunk being 2/3rds height of first.
I've had many JBP failures, few successes, most failures were thinking a JBP was 'healthy' and ready, when it wasn't strong enough. Right now my oldest JBP has been with me less than 5 years, started over so to speak. So not sure you should follow my suggestions or not.
I like Adair's thoughts toward final design. Second trunk being 2/3rds height of first.
Potawatomi13
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I would even be interested in having this very healthy looking tree to work on. Rather than change planting angle would heavy wire smaller trunk and bend away from other as well as adding movement to it. Could either shorten smaller trunk at 3rd obvious branch as suggested OR bend to make shorter and more interesting
. Also would bend tops of both downward in opposite directions.
. Also would bend tops of both downward in opposite directions.Potawatomi13
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That tree is a Kokonoe Japanese White Pine. It's owned by a friend of mine who plans to show it at the 2016 National Show in Rochester. It is quite a large tree.Whos trees are these and where is he please?
The other twin trunk I posted in an earlier post with the first tree is owned by me. It's is a Zuisho Japanese White Pine. It's just been repotted.
This picture was taken during the "pot selection phase" of repotting. So the new soil hasn't been added yet. I'm not entirely happy with the pot. I think the lines are too hard. But the size was good. The nebari is unusually large, so the tree needs a big pot.
I prefer this pot:
And it just barely fits in. But there's hardly any room for new soil. So we decided to keep this as a show pot, but plant it in the oval for now.
lieuz
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@LanceMac10 firstly, I want to thank you. I am not a strong pine grower and have been avoiding it like the plague. A recent class allowed me to see that pines aren't the red headed step children that I see them to be. There was a time during the lecture about how you will know when it's time to repot the tree when the mycorrhizae appears in the root tips. I always wanted to see what that'll look like and there it is. thank you again!
LanceMac10
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Hey lieuz!! Absorb all the knowledge you can from guy's like Adair and BVF. They really have JBP refinement dialed in. Pines have certain methods that need to be used at appropriate times. Most of the time while in your care, all you will be doing is feeding and watering. And of course, the best way to learn how to grow Pines is to actually grow them. Study them and record how they react to each insult you commit on them. When to repot? Most likely when the water drains thru really slow.....then wait until next year!! Heheheee....only the previous owner could tell you when the last repot for this tree was, at least 5-6 years.
LanceMac10
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Today...
LanceMac10
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@Adair M @Brian Van Fleet .....should be pinching these few vigorous ummm...buds..candles...??
Feel free to slag my "Pine Technique".......
At least it made it thru another winter!!
Feel free to slag my "Pine Technique".......
At least it made it thru another winter!!
LanceMac10
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So, in the midst of waiting on WeeMac hand and foot on a random August day , I said to myself, "Hey Self, don't you wonder how small you can get needles on a JBP?"
Out comes the "Practice Pine" and let's find out! The answer is, pretty damn small!!
Out comes the "Practice Pine" and let's find out! The answer is, pretty damn small!!
Seeing the same plus new terminal buds forming on one of the branches of my JBP.
Just curious, NH, what's your decandling date? Here in SK , average first date minus 100 days (for a one session decandling) gives me the June 20th. I'm fascinated how the branches of JBP are autonomous.
...and my little corticosa is def. dead, how is yours?
Just curious, NH, what's your decandling date? Here in SK , average first date minus 100 days (for a one session decandling) gives me the June 20th. I'm fascinated how the branches of JBP are autonomous.
...and my little corticosa is def. dead, how is yours?
LanceMac10
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Dead as a doorstop!!! Too much root removal I believe was the cause.
Proper de-candling around the same time as you, I suppose. First frost here comes towards the end of October.
Proper de-candling around the same time as you, I suppose. First frost here comes towards the end of October.
Thanks Lance, in my case I still think the cause of its dead was bad time of acquiring... nursery soil and wintering. I'll know more next spring, after the first winter of my new JBPs. They're strong enough, so I'll see. But one seedling has spent two winters in the open ground and this means hope for me.
LanceMac10
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I could probably get away with a bit later, after this most recent "experiment"......
I've had this one on a 5 year plan to get it as vigorous as possible before I applied the now universally used spring de-candling.
Got to this point using the dated technique of fall cutback. It's really done wonders for it's vitality.
Please note, I'm a hobbyist and I'm just winging it. But this forum is incredible, with so much information from top-notch growers!! Though I'm sure most of them think I'm a clown!!
I've had this one on a 5 year plan to get it as vigorous as possible before I applied the now universally used spring de-candling.
Got to this point using the dated technique of fall cutback. It's really done wonders for it's vitality.
Please note, I'm a hobbyist and I'm just winging it. But this forum is incredible, with so much information from top-notch growers!! Though I'm sure most of them think I'm a clown!!
