Japanese white pine Miyajima nursery stock.

[Frozentreehugger]

I understand, thanks for the clarification. Mugo has some dwarf cultivars but generally speaking they are not a dwarf when it's var. pumillo or mughus. It is a rather slow growing single flush genus though! I've seen it a bunch of times that people refer to mugo as a dwarf, so I just wanted to point out that it's not, unless specified. It might help some people for future reference.

Good point . Especially here in North America where most Mugo are dwarf garden accent plants . Based on that is what is sold in nurseries . As I said iseli has introduced multiple dwarf cultivars . So they must work a lot with it . Working in the capital of Canada I have access to the national arboretum which has multiple trees . Dating from its start in 1904 . There is a impressive Mugo multi stem . Each about 1 to 2 feet diameter . It’s not a gigantic tall pine tree . But your not mistaken it for a dwarf

 

[Frozentreehugger]

What size scion is best for starting grafts? I need to learn how to graft.
I have a 15 foot tall JWP in my front yard. I looked through all the Mugo at Lowes yesterday
and all they had were multiple pencil sized trunks making up the 2 gallon pots.
I didn’t even bother to look at the price. Maybe once every 5 or more years do I see a mugo
here locally, that is worth considering for bonsai. Root stock for scions though, I’ve never had
in mind when looking through them. What should i be looking for?

You don’t have to use mugo . I’m more interested in grafting foliage to a good trunk . But my understanding is you start with a 2 year old ore 3 rootstock . And graft a shoot to it there are multiple . Vids on line . As I said before . Iseli has created and discovered multiple mugo . Dwarf cultivars . One way to develop cultivars is plant thousands of seeds . And select unique growth . So stands to reason they have lots of mugo . Root stock so they use that . Of course there may be other reasons . Have you considered . You have a bonsai JWP nice cultivar And you have a 15 foot yard tree . I would be tempted to graft foliage and or buds from the bonsai to the trunk of the yard tree . Then dig that up . Just a thought . One of the primary reasons I signed up a subscription it Marai is to learn more advanced techniques like . Grafting . So far the approach grafting has been very interesting . Not trying to sell you . But there is lots of info if your interested . Lots on the web about grafting

 

[Japonicus]

You don’t have to use mugo . I’m more interested in grafting foliage to a good trunk . But my understanding is you start with a 2 year old ore 3 rootstock . And graft a shoot to it there are multiple . Vids on line . As I said before . Iseli has created and discovered multiple mugo . Dwarf cultivars . One way to develop cultivars is plant thousands of seeds . And select unique growth . So stands to reason they have lots of mugo . Root stock so they use that . Of course there may be other reasons . Have you considered . You have a bonsai JWP nice cultivar And you have a 15 foot yard tree . I would be tempted to graft foliage and or buds from the bonsai to the trunk of the yard tree . Then dig that up . Just a thought . One of the primary reasons I signed up a subscription it Marai is to learn more advanced techniques like . Grafting . So far the approach grafting has been very interesting . Not trying to sell you . But there is lots of info if your interested . Lots on the web about grafting

No, I have no plans to dig up the landscape tree unless it dies.
I got on a ladder last Fall and my wife and I removed all the old shed needles
and trimmed back some. I have left bottom branches that’s in the way of the mower
lest one day I take up grafting as a side hobby. So 2-3 year old root stock.
That helps. Sorry to the OP, for the side notes on your thread.

 

[Japonicus]

@TrevorLarsen How's your pine doing? Been awful hot out there this year.
Any Fall plans for it this year?

 

[TrevorLarsen]

@TrevorLarsen How's your pine doing? Been awful hot out there this year.
Any Fall plans for it this year?

Yeah it has been good. I actually just cut off all the middle branches today so it will feed the bottom, that I’m actually keeping more.

 

[Japonicus]

Yeah it has been good. I actually just cut off all the middle branches today so it will feed the bottom, that I’m actually keeping more.
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Wuhl my post was good timing. How do these things happen?
Hope it doesn't throw a fit on ya. Still love the foliage on this one.

 

[TrevorLarsen]

Wuhl my post was good timing. How do these things happen?
Hope it doesn't throw a fit on ya. Still love the foliage on this one.

Do they sometimes respond poorly to cutting the middle branches off?

 

[Japonicus]

Do they sometimes respond poorly to cutting the middle branches off?

Don't know about the mid section causing issues, but the amount of reduction I have had issues with
on a JWP. Thought I was following Adairs example at a workshop, but I'm being more cautious with reductions
since that "Atco goyo" died. Maybe it was the included shari I did along with the reduction.
I would've wanted to reduce keeper branches to drive ramification closer in, but would be leery of that this year now.

 

[TrevorLarsen]

Here is an update of this tree I repotted it in early April 2024.

 

[August44]

Here is an update of this tree I repotted it in early April 2024. View attachment 542025View attachment 542026View attachment 542027View attachment 542028View attachment 542029View attachment 542030View attachment 542031

Not sure I would wire the tree like that to stabilize it. That's a bit hard on the trunk. Wiring the root ball two ways is best for stabilization and looks I think.

 

[TrevorLarsen]

Not sure I would wire the tree like that to stabilize it. That's a bit hard on the trunk. Wiring the root ball two ways is best for stabilization and looks I think.

I agree, but the trunk from above the lowest foliage is all sacrifice so I don’t mind if it gets marked up. Once the roots grow enough I’ll probably remove all those wires.

 

[Japonicus]

Here is an update of this tree I repotted it in early April 2024. View attachment 542025View attachment 542026View attachment 542027View attachment 542028View attachment 542029View attachment 542030View attachment 542031

This is your driveway?
The driveway is super nice
the view...WOW!!!
So my dad had a fellow scout he was buddies with and during WWII. They were both photographers and his buddy had a studio on Main St Salt Lake City. Offered my dad a piece of property in the 70s there for $25. My dad didn't want to deal with the upkeep long distance. That property sold for over $80K and is now part of your ski resort.

 

[TrevorLarsen]

This is your driveway?
The driveway is super nice
the view...WOW!!!
So my dad had a fellow scout he was buddies with and during WWII. They were both photographers and his buddy had a studio on Main St Salt Lake City. Offered my dad a piece of property in the 70s there for $25. My dad didn't want to deal with the upkeep long distance. That property sold for over $80K and is now part of your ski resort.

Yeah that is my driveway. I actually live in a town called Alpine like 30 min south of Salt Lake. It’s got the most beautiful mountains in all of Utah. My family has been here since they walked from Illinois with the other Mormons in 1847. It’s a super rich area now, but I’m still here.

 

[Frozentreehugger]

Yeah that is my driveway. I actually live in a town called Alpine like 30 min south of Salt Lake. It’s got the most beautiful mountains in all of Utah. My family has been here since they walked from Illinois with the other Mormons in 1847. It’s a super rich area now, but I’m still here.

The gear head in me still has bucket list to see the races on the salt

 

[Frozentreehugger]

Here is an update of this tree I repotted it in early April 2024. View attachment 542025View attachment 542026View attachment 542027View attachment 542028View attachment 542029View attachment 542030View attachment 542031I really like your idea to remove all the middle growth . To allow sun for the future tree .Got me thinking to try something like that

 

[TrevorLarsen]

The gear head in me still has bucket list to see the races on the salt

Yeah that salt flats are pretty amazing. I80 goes right through them and it’s so flat and straight they have a section with signs so you can test how accurate your speedometer actually is.

 

[Frozentreehugger]

Yeah that salt flats are pretty amazing. I80 goes right through them and it’s so flat and straight they have a section with signs so you can test how accurate your speedometer actually is.

So do you get to drive your car on the salt or is it a normal paved road . Your comment surprised me . I thought the salt flats are a enviro sensitive area

 

[TrevorLarsen]

So do you get to drive your car on the salt or is it a normal paved road . Your comment surprised me . I thought the salt flats are a enviro sensitive area

Yes a lot of them are protected but they are huge and the freeway from Salt Lake to Reno goes right through them. Here is a picture from online.
The Donner party actually were tricked into going this way because it was sold as a “short cut” but they barley survived and delayed them so much they got stuck in the snow in the Mountains in California and turned to cannibalism to survive.

 

[TrevorLarsen]

Here is the fall update from this tree. I cut off a lot but I want it to back bud so I was aggressive. Eventually I want it as a small tree.

 

[Paradox]

Wire some shape into those branches will also help to get sun into the tree. If you've been feeding it, you should get some back budding. Also keep it well fed after the needles harden off next year