J. virginiana - formal upright

I don't expect it to happen immediately and I'm prepared to invest years in my bonsai! Fully intend to crawl around and study as well. Not entirely sure I get your meaning, though. Are you saying I shouldn't pot a couple seedlings and that I should grow from cuttings instead, or that I shouldn't bother at all? Just want to understand :)
 
I got a ...candidate... at the first nursery I visited.
Will begin some work tomorrow.
Alas, not much MATURE bark.
But the raw material is VERY close.
:)
 
I don't expect it to happen immediately and I'm prepared to invest years in my bonsai! Fully intend to crawl around and study as well. Not entirely sure I get your meaning, though. Are you saying I shouldn't pot a couple seedlings and that I should grow from cuttings instead, or that I shouldn't bother at all? Just want to understand :)

I'm saying that it is more productive in your time and effort to collect larger trees that have some hope of becoming a decent tree in a somewhat shorter time period. Seedlings and cuttings are fine, but they get pretty damned boring while you are waiting for them to grow up.

Unless, of course, you are shooting for little trees:
 

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I am actually shooting for small trees! I'm also okay with waiting quite a while for them to get big enough to work with. I like long-term projects. I will want to get a "meantime" plant to work on, but I love the prospect of having a tree for years and years and caring for it all the while, watching it and helping it grow...
 
I got a ...candidate... at the first nursery I visited.
Will begin some work tomorrow.
Alas, not much MATURE bark.
But the raw material is VERY close.
:)


Throwing out a guess. Is it skyrocket or blue moon juniper. They are usually ramrod straight and are found in nurseries all over? They would be a very close match to one of these.
 
Throwing out a guess. Is it skyrocket or blue moon juniper. They are usually ramrod straight and are found in nurseries all over? They would be a very close match to one of these.

Welllll.....the name on the white tag says.... "Moonglow" o_O

And of course, no generic name.
Oh wait. It says "Juniper S."

Sally? Sam? Sargentii? Don't think it's #3 or if it is, it's not as green. More gray-green.

Pix in a few.

Sittin outside next to a pile of loam, akadama, and pumice.

Just DARING me to knock off the nursery pot and see how tangled it is.
 
I don't expect it to happen immediately and I'm prepared to invest years in my bonsai! Fully intend to crawl around and study as well. Not entirely sure I get your meaning, though. Are you saying I shouldn't pot a couple seedlings and that I should grow from cuttings instead, or that I shouldn't bother at all? Just want to understand :)

Rook, if I may be so bold, let me explain several things that may not be obvious to someone beginning in this obsession we call bonsai.

Leaving out the primacy of horticulture - knowing how to keep a bonsai alive - it is essential to understand that the trunk is the most important - and least malleable - aspect of a bonsai. It has been said, "Show me a great trunk, and I'll show you a great bonsai," and, "Foliage is merely current events, and branches are just recent news: but the trunk is history."

Therefore, good potential bonsai material means, first and foremost, that it has a good trunk. A good trunk has girth, and often interesting movement and shape and perhaps old scars or deadwood that tell the tree's history. In bonsai, therefore, the trunk does not merely support the branches and foliage, but the opposite: the branches and foliage, essentially, just provide mere support for the trunk - horticulturally, visually, and aesthetically.

For a tree to develop a good trunk of any size, it must be grown in the ground. Period. End of sentence. Once a tree or seedling or whatever is put into a pot, the trunk's growth is essentially stopped, especially if the pot is a comparatively small one like a bonsai pot. In fact, one reason we confine the roots in such a small pot is exactly to halt the growth of the trunk, and to a certain extent control the growth even of the branches and foliage. In such a pot, while the tree actually does still grow, the growth is so stunted that growth rings become microscopic, such that it would take hundreds of years to create a pleasing trunk of any size in a pot. Beginners fall for the fallacy that they can create a pleasingly impressive bonsai by putting a sapling, or even a seed or cutting, into a bonsai pot and raise it there: well, yes, you can do that if you want, but it is affectionately known as "The Three Hundred Year Plan."

As a beginner, you want to go to nurseries and look for trees with thick and interesting trunks - often best found in the "sale" areas or abandoned side areas where the owners throw the stuff they think is too "imperfect " for the typical homeowner to want for the yard. Or go to a "bonsai nursery," or order from a reputable one on-line. Alternatively, if you want to grow your own, you will want to grow stuff in the ground or in really huge pots until the trunks get a decent size. Once in a bonsai pot that is proportional to the tree, their growth will essentially freeze in time, and what you have then is what you will have from then on.

The lure of growing bonsai from seeds, or small cuttings or seedlings appeals to some people on some primitive or philosophical level, but it is not based on the reality of how trees actually grow, and what qualities of a tree make for a pleasing bonsai. Something that looks impressive will satisfy over the years - something that looks pathetic, but creates the wishful illusion of someday looking impressive, will not really hold anybody's interest in the hobby for long, and this is why most people quit.

I hope that helps.

G52
 
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Ah, that's a good point! I hadn't thought about that, but it makes sense. I'd planned to put them in some big pots I had from last year (my first attempt at spinach - turned out well!) but I think there's a perfect spot in the backyard for some juniper seedlings... I may put one or two in a pot just for jollies and to see how they turn out. I counted at least 8 around the big tree, and that was just a cursory glance before I got to work on the garden fence, so I have a few to experiment with.

I'll definitely go to the nursery and see what I can find in the sale section, though. That's a good suggestion :D
 
Rook, if I may be so bold, let me explain several things that may not be obvious to someone beginning in this obsession we call bonsai...

I believe what you say to be true, but this was one of the best explanations I have read.
 
A DAY AND 750 MILES OF WIRE LATER.............

Got 'er stuck in a pot and starter wiring. Had to go with a "too large" pot because of the root condition in that ONE gallon nursery can. (Had to AXE the can off.)
Then the roots were extended down the sides and around the bottom like a giant fist grabbing the soil cylinder.
After soaking and pulling and snipping off as little as possible, it fits in this pot pretty well and (I think) ..needs.. the extra soil to get it through the radical change in environment.

Probably left more branches than it needs, but I'll have some sacrificial ones if needed as I watch its development.

Anyone looking to purchase about 7 trillion little curls of wire after the wood sets up, lemme know. :D
 

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And I thought mine was thin . . . :D

I think I would have slip potted this one into a larger pot then let EVERYTHING grow for year or two . . . or selected a branch for a new leader on a tree that was 1/4 shorter. But this'll do.

Just let the branches -- ALL of them -- grow for a year; more if you can stand it. Mine was several years old when dug and then was in a pot growing a while after tht before the first wire touched it.

Eventually you will want to cut off all of the branches below the half-way mark; they're ll too thin, anyway. You can leave stubs for jin, of course.

As a preliminary idea:
 

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Looks good. Rightly or wrongly, I thought leaving "too many" limbs on would pull more sap up and fill it out faster.
Like in 150 years or so.:D
 
Rightly or wrongly, I thought leaving "too many" limbs on would pull more sap up and fill it out faster. Like in 150 years or so

No, you are right -- and it probably won't even take 100 years.
 
I could always rip it out of that pot and cut off ALL the roots and stick it in a WAY smaller pot and jin it back another 2 feet and it would ....look.... lots bigger. :D
 
Sure wish I had measured girth when I first wired that sucker. It...SEEMS... . to be getting bigger. Or my eyes smaller. One thing for sure....it is throwing LOTS of new growth. Trying to snip off the uppy ones. It apparently loves where it is.
 
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