How to tell the difference between a hornbeam and a beech?

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So I have scouting for trees to collect because my landloard gave me the ok to do it in the backyard well he owns the 4 lots around his house and its a lot of ground. I have already collected a few hemlocks and a beech but next on my list is a hornbeam, I have seen a few that could be a hornbeam but without the leaves I cannot tell. Anyone have advice for this green thumb?
 
Same for the US, beech tend to hold there leaves. I typically find my hornbeam near rivers and beech are higher up the bank. Hornbeam has become my favorite to collect.
 
Not the best picture but this is what they look like, plus the trunk will look like a muscle.
 

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In the UK it would be that Beech usually hold their leaves on over winter whereas Hornbeam drop theirs. Also, Beech buds are longer, sharper and more of a bronze colour.

I’m not sure about American species’ leaves, but the buds will remain similar.
u got it
 
beech got a big heart engraving with something like Doug + Margo 4eva in it
hornbeam down by the creek lookin wonky, darker grey, buds aren’t remotely as sharp
 
Post 4 and 5 looks like Hornbeam to me.
 
Check the leaves under the tree. if those are lots of hornbeam leaves it's a hornbeam, if those are beech leaves it's a beech.
In this case, it's a hornbeam (and there is an oak nearby).
(Naturally you can have both, but if that is not the case you're done.)
 
Don't let guys from Europe try to tell you what a hornbeam looks like.... Their's are very different than ours. Beech hold their leaves in the winter and have very distinctive long pointy buds...very easy to identify typically... Hop Hornbeam also hold their leaves thru winter but they are a little darker brown than beech but are typically found in the similar locations to beech. Hop Hornbeam also has what I describe as shaggy bark. American Hornbeam, on the other hand, have smooth grey bark with what appears to almost be a muscular trunk...and very small leaves. They are nearly always found just above the flood plain of creeks and rivers. Don't be enticed by the big roots on hornbeams...in the long run you are better off finding ones with smaller roots...they will develop nicely in a container, where as the large roots will always look awkward.
 
found this one near the creek with in 75 feet, i was told it was a beech but it had no leaves, the trunk is about the size of my fist
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You need to look at the buds...I suspect this is an oak...it is not an American Hornbeam. There are beech leaves in the photo but that doesn't mean a thing...our hornbeam leaves would be tiny in comparison to the much larger beech leaves...
 
Hop hornbeam isn’t a hornbeam either. It’s part of the birch family. I’d guess that stump is a beech from the bark, but difficult to tell without seeing buds.
 
Looks absolutely nothing like American Hornbeam. They are understory trees and never get anywhere even close to that large.
 
Don't let guys from Europe try to tell you what a hornbeam looks like.... Their's are very different than ours. Beech hold their leaves in the winter and have very distinctive long pointy buds...very easy to identify typically...
Did you look at the post above your previous post by the European guy? He even posted pics showing exactly what you described. Imo his information is accurate.

Seems like you got a problem with something...
 
Don't let guys from Europe try to tell you what a hornbeam looks like.... Their's are very different than ours. Beech hold their leaves in the winter and have very distinctive long pointy buds...very easy to identify typically... Hop Hornbeam also hold their leaves thru winter but they are a little darker brown than beech but are typically found in the similar locations to beech. Hop Hornbeam also has what I describe as shaggy bark. American Hornbeam, on the other hand, have smooth grey bark with what appears to almost be a muscular trunk...and very small leaves. They are nearly always found just above the flood plain of creeks and rivers. Don't be enticed by the big roots on hornbeams...in the long run you are better off finding ones with smaller roots...they will develop nicely in a container, where as the large roots will always look awkward.
You mean to say " Don't let guys from Europe (who are not familiar with one) try to tell you what a Carpinus caroliniana looks like"
 
Did you look at the post above your previous post by the European guy? He even posted pics showing exactly what you described. Imo his information is accurate.

Seems like you got a problem with something...
unbelievable... This place never changes... You obviously know squat about American Hornbeam... Sure the beech pics of buds work but the others aren't even close...
 
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