How do you document/organize your trees through the years?

David Ruth

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Just curious about the different ways people do this. I’ve tried excel/word docs, photo albums in iOS and a Microsoft thing called Sway until they discontinued the iOS app. I need a better way. Ideas? Or is it all just crammed in your head?
Thanks
 
I use shared photo albums on iOS. I have a different album for every tree. I take pictures of my trees before, during and after I work on them. I take seasonal pictures as well. I use Bnut to document progress on them and to discuss plans for the future. Almost all of my threads are progressions.
 
Bonsai Album website is where you can buy software. I've used it about two years. It's pretty straight-forward and easy to use, but I've made a few adjustments to the way I use it. You can keep track of data and dates, etc., and load pictures in part of it, but you need a special format in photo names/nomenclature so that you can arrange them in the file from which you load them into the software. It captures the photo easily enough, but they are stored in the individual modules and are not accessible except to view within the software. (It's not a problem).

I made a Link/Icon on my computer to the directory where the program stores the individual modules of all the data you save for a particular tree, or that you save for a few trees of a type, in one module. (It is the default search directory) If you have ten trees you will have ten modules with names you create. I have a "hold" sub-directory in that directory. Different kinds of cameras and cell phones create different format photos with different labels. I download all my photos to that "hold" subdirectory.

I have a WORD file with a list of codes I created that I use as prefixes to the camera file names, and the names of the individual trees that the codes correspond to. Eg: all figs start with a capital F. One 'Green Mound' is coded FGM. One 'Dutch Treat' forest is FDT f. One 'Dutch Treat' literati is FDT L. One 'Dutch Treat' formal upright is FDT fu. I try to keep the codes as close to what I commonly call the plant and I flop back-and-forth between Latin and common names. This is a "whatever works" system. I have 20 figs and a couple hundred trees and accents and things in process and the problem that you have to overcome is how do you find the code for something you don't reference very often, hence the list in a WORD file. You have to have a system that aids that occasional search. So, the genus and species use capital letters and the descriptive names use lower case characters. F is Forsythia, FT is Fukien Tea. No matter how your system is designed, you will have conflicts that you have to ignore. You can only recombobulate just so many times before you give up and accept that it won't be perfect. Anyway, every time I upload photos I add the code as a prefix to whatever kind of numerical nomenclature the cameras use, which is somewhere between 12 and 24 characters. They are usually a date code and a series code. You need that data to keep the photos separate and in order when you load them into the mother file. Do not mess with that series of numbers.

When you have a hundred trees and loads of photos for each tree, you have a file with a billion photos. The Bonsai Album software searches by file name and only sees jpeg files. With each photo having an alpha prefix they all bunch up, separately, by date, and individual series # within that BA directory when you are searching to load photos into the software. Outside of the software, you can see this file the same way you choose to look through any directory: big, medium or small icons, list, detail, etc. I have the directory open as an ordinary directory at the same time that I am looking through the software view of that same directory to add me in choosing what goes in and what I might skip. But they will be bunched the same order, so you can go straight to FGM and see all the Green Mound fig photos with the same coded file name. I also use the "hold" sub-directory to edit the photos and add printed info on them that say the alpha name, repotted, wired, date, etc., any info that identifies something helpful. You cannot see the file name when you have loaded that photo into the picture section of the software module. If it is undated and unexplained you will find that you have 20 photos of unsure heritage. It becomes just a bunch of pictures of the same tree in the same habitual view.

After I have done all the reformatting, coding the file names, adding provenance, notes and data. I copy the whole lot and paste into the mother directory from which I will search for those that I want to install within the individual modules. Then, I immediately "cut" all those photos in the "hold" directory and paste them into a directory in my cellphone that I can view in the Gallery. All sorted by alpha, date, & series. Very handy without scrambling through a billion photos not in any kind of order, and with the info embossed on the photo in black or white characters. The software is pretty cheap and really useful for collectors of anything who always suffer from the same problem: putting things in some kind of searchable order.

I can't overemphasize the importance of adding the provenance on the photo. Without information, they all begin to look alike, especially when you have the same view, two or three a year, for years in a row.
 
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In a leather book with a pencil, and pictures on my iphone. Just notes and repotting dates, and drawings.

I spend so much time around technology it’s nice to spend the time with my trees and no technology. I only have like 40 trees though I could see how if you had hundreds and wanted to keep track of all of them technology would definitely help!
 
Google drive for images, Google calendar for repot times and notes. All saved to cloud so I can't accidentally delete or lose a hard drive/phone. I lost a bunch of old images when an old phone died a couple years ago.

I'm sure the bonsai software is great, but I don't trust them to keep their software up to date long term.
 
Bonsai Album website is where you can buy software. I've used it about two years. It's pretty straight-forward and easy to use, but I've made a few adjustments to the way I use it. You can keep track of data and dates, etc., and load pictures in part of it, but you need a special format in photo names/nomenclature so that you can arrange them in the file from which you load them into the software. It captures the photo easily enough, but they are stored in the individual modules and are not accessible except to view within the software. (It's not a problem).

I made a Link/Icon on my computer to the directory where the program stores the individual modules of all the data you save for a particular tree, or that you save for a few trees of a type, in one module. (It is the default search directory) If you have ten trees you will have ten modules with names you create. I have a "hold" sub-directory in that directory. Different kinds of cameras and cell phones create different format photos with different labels. I download all my photos to that "hold" subdirectory.

I have a WORD file with a list of codes I created that I use as prefixes to the camera file names, and the names of the individual trees that the codes correspond to. Eg: all figs start with a capital F. One 'Green Mound' is coded FGM. One 'Dutch Treat' forest is FDT f. One 'Dutch Treat' literati is FDT L. One 'Dutch Treat' formal upright is FDT fu. I try to keep the codes as close to what I commonly call the plant and I flop back-and-forth between Latin and common names. This is a "whatever works" system. I have 20 figs and a couple hundred trees and accents and things in process and the problem that you have to overcome is how do you find the code for something you don't reference very often, hence the list in a WORD file. You have to have a system that aids that occasional search. So, the genus and species use capital letters and the descriptive names use lower case characters. F is Forsythia, FT is Fukien Tea. No matter how your system is designed, you will have conflicts that you have to ignore. You can only recombobulate just so many times before you give up and accept that it won't be perfect. Anyway, every time I upload photos I add the code as a prefix to whatever kind of numerical nomenclature the cameras use, which is somewhere between 12 and 24 characters. They are usually a date code and a series code. You need that data to keep the photos separate and in order when you load them into the mother file. Do not mess with that series of numbers.

When you have a hundred trees and loads of photos for each tree, you have a file with a billion photos. The Bonsai Album software searches by file name and only sees jpeg files. With each photo having an alpha prefix they all bunch up, separately, by date, and individual series # within that BA directory when you are searching to load photos into the software. Outside of the software, you can see this file the same way you choose to look through any directory: big, medium or small icons, list, detail, etc. I have the directory open as an ordinary directory at the same time that I am looking through the software view of that same directory to add me in choosing what goes in and what I might skip. But they will be bunched the same order, so you can go straight to FGM and see all the Green Mound fig photos with the same coded file name. I also use the "hold" sub-directory to edit the photos and add printed info on them that say the alpha name, repotted, wired, date, etc., any info that identifies something helpful. You cannot see the file name when you have loaded that photo into the picture section of the software module. If it is undated and unexplained you will find that you have 20 photos of unsure heritage. It becomes just a bunch of pictures of the same tree in the same habitual view.

After I have done all the reformatting, coding the file names, adding provenance, notes and data. I copy the whole lot and paste into the mother directory from which I will search for those that I want to install within the individual modules. Then, I immediately "cut" all those photos in the "hold" directory and paste them into a directory in my cellphone that I can view in the Gallery. All sorted by alpha, date, & series. Very handy without scrambling through a billion photos not in any kind of order, and with the info embossed on the photo in black or white characters. The software is pretty cheap and really useful for collectors of anything who always suffer from the same problem: putting things in some kind of searchable order.

I can't overemphasize the importance of adding the provenance on the photo. Without information, they all begin to look alike, especially when you have the same view, two or three a year, for years in a row.
Yeah, I don’t do all of that jazz. I just downloaded it on my iPad and use it! I have used pics from my photos and used the app to take the photos. Easy peezie, sounds like you are over complicating it.
 
Picture -> Lightroom -> Label them by tree species (e.g., Acer Palmatum: AP, then serial number 001 => AP001 )
Export one or two pictures per year in a reasonable size to a folder on my harddrive for that three, using YYYYMMDD as start of the filename so you have them sorted by date when flipping through pictures. I do not bother to further name the pictures as I move them into their dedicated folder straight away.

I do not keep track of last repot, trims, wiring etc. I look at the tree, think about the performance and make a plan during the growing season to decide which ones get repotted. But perhaps if you cross the 100 trees mark that gets more dificult to do than my current 70? 80? pots.
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci
Something like that. Takes a while to work, but I kind of dislike documenting in my free time so I went the extra mile to not have to do that on paper.

Is this really a thing? Always thought it was just something out of fiction, or only a rare thing for people with photographic memory?


I feel like I just keep track of the ones that die on Bnut :rolleyes:

Google photos for my pics, which I'm getting better about taking, and a small notepad I can keep with me during the day (and write in during long meetings). Helps to have a Frixion erasable pen (the best!) and a page of dates and info for each tree, with sticky notes for drawing ideas or to do lists for a particular set of trees or action items.

I also keep track of links, important things to remember, and a list of my trees, in Evernote. But I'm thinking of moving away from Evernote in favor of Google docs, (or even a nicer, physical journal). It's been a great app, but like others I'm worried about losing my data if they stop supporting the app.
 
To document and organize my trees over the years, I created a simple yet comprehensive pen-and-paper solution. It's a template that I can print out and write on. I've found that this, plus pictures on my phone (synced to iCloud for a backup), gives me everything that I need:
https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/template-for-bonsai-record-keeping.36576/

Based on feedback from people, I created another version of my template that works better for some people.
 
i tried using apps, it wasn't for me. I also tried a notebook, also not for me.

now every tree gets a folder on my laptop, where i update with pictures only. the names of the pictures are the date of when the picture was taken.

i take pictures of the tree, grafts, root works, etc. If I ever lose track of when a thread graft was done for example, I can always look back to the recent pictures.

It's not much work to email the pictures to myself from my phone, and then file them

I also chose to use my BNUT thread as a blog, as opposed to starting threads on individual trees:

https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/my-maples-in-montreal.33315/

My trees just don't deserve threads of their own, but i also like the blog format! I wish more people posted casual photos. for example everybody is repotting trees right now, but so few people are posting pictures! it doesn't always have to be about asking for advice or giving a lesson, sometimes sharing pics is just for fun :) (which a lot of people already do, of course)
 
Here's an example of my fully annotated photos. I don't even try to remember when I do important things like repotting. Failure to repot before rootbound can be terminal. The ugly insert is the buried pot tag.BRT 20190208_153919.jpg
 
Ha, still using a notebook and a camera for shots.

Trees are set up like in a studio and often 4 sides and top
are imaged.
Slides are are also still used.

Had first hard drive wipe out all, 2nd laptop upgraded to
I think it is called solid state.
Have fun with the technology.
Good Day
Anthony
 
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