Hornbeams as far as the eye can see!

Have you considered the 'Lingnan Clip and Grow' technique for building branches.I read about it in 'Koreshoffs' book "bonsai art science and philosophy'(something like that).For if I had stumps like that potted and growing vigorously I would give it a go and try not to use much wire and when branch gets thick(perhaps annual at first or longer)chops back to 2 nodes,or just wherever you want the branch to change direction whether up then down or sideways,up then down.The 'Lingnan' is slower,but I liked the look of the trees and they would probably stay healthy from the extended growth spurts before the chops.
 
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Stan, can I ask you for clarification on one thing:

You said to let the tree grow away the first year, pick 1 or 2 leaders, and remove everything overly strong... Is that the second year I start cutting back? The first year I should just let them do what they want?

I should have said let the new leader(s) grow away. If you have an existing bud or two near the chop, these should grow quickly with little to nothing else sprouting nearby. If there are no buds near the chop, hornbeams will often throw a plethora of shoots at the top. Pick 1 or 2 of these, and remove the rest. If there is an existing bud lower on the trunk with no buds at the top, the lower bud may try to "trunk up". Remove these (this is what I meant by overly strong). What you're trying to do in the first year or two, depending on vigor, is to concentrate the growth energy into the apex.
 
Wanted to share this monster

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Turning clockwise

You wouldn't believe how hard it was to keep a straight face while taking that picture!
 
That is a monster. How much does it weigh ? A tree like that would kill me.
 
Thanks guys. The dig was actually the easiest one ever. Because it was growing in moist clay, there was literally no tap root. 3 minutes. I did a circular cut, gave it a tug to see where it was still anchored and I fell on my butt as it *schlorped* out of the ground. I wish they were all that easy. Then there was the carrying it back to the car which was about 100 - 125 yards and I'd estimate it was about 80-90 lbs or so. Not fun. But not impossible. Took an hour to spray out the clay but there were a bunch of feeder roots close by.

The GF claims the tree as her own.. My sore back today begs to differ.

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Fingers Crossed.
 
Nice roots! I wish all plants come out that fast. :)

BTW, you might want to shorten that smaller branch also...maybe down to half. ;)
 
Hornbeam can be extremely easy to collect, as shown, or they can become a B#$%^. That root mass is pretty typical of what I've done in the past, although I'd make it a third smaller and about 25 lbs lighter...but hey, I'm old and lazy;)
 
Actually, I ended up cutting this back by about 1/4 because it wouldn't fit into any container I owned, light was fading so I ran to Lowe's for this Kitty litter container. I think I'm going to return to the more damp spots from now on. SO much more pleasant. Besides the soggy bottom.

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edit: I just realized I've never seen a "hard" curse word on this forum.
 
You are a man of constant sorrow...;)
 

The next time you go collecting these, do you mind taking a photo of where you collect them from? I'm in the middle of the area they are native to, but I'm really not sure where to look. I'm gonna go check this thread again to see if you already answered this, but what environment were they collected from? I gather it was wet. Were they understory trees (in shady areas) or were they out in the open?
 
They're pretty easy to find. Creek beds, lowland areas in woodlands. Where you find one, there are usually dozens. If there are American beech around, you're looking in an area that is probably too elevated. Beech like better drained soil.

Hornbeam are understory trees. They rarely top out above 25 feet or so. Oaks, tulip poplar, elm and other primary trees tower above them...
 
GeorgiaBonsai,

Rockm is right, they are understory trees. As such you need to find an area that hasn't been disturbed for a while. Abandoned pastures or areas that have recently been cleared usually do not, or no longer, have American Hornbeam. Areas that have large stands of mature oaks, hickory and maples usually do. When I have scouted new areas for American Hornbeam, I headed down towards water or where I expect water to be. Usually, I find them on the way down to water, but not in the wettest, lowest areas. This may have to do with the heavy red clay soils here in the Charlotte, NC area. Your results may vary. As Rockm stated, Beeches tend to be a little higher up then hornbeam, and are more easily identified as they usually still have their leaves remaining from last year. But, they are a good indicator species as they also tend to do best in undisturbed areas. I usually find native oaks, hickory, maple, dogwood and elm in the same areas as hornbeam. They tend to be in what I would describe as open woodlands. Areas that are really dense and have lots of thick, brambly undergrowth that is difficult to walk through usually do not have hornbeam. Again, your results may vary. Areas with naturalized privet tend to be too wet.

I normally do not find stands of large mature hornbeam, these tend to be few and far between. Normally, I encounter lots of young trees first. Once I begin finding the young trees, larger trees and a few big mature trees are normally close by. Identifying them this time of year is usually best done by looking for the grey, smooth, muscle-ly trunks, reddish twigs and small pointed alternate buds. Once you find mature trees, take a look around you and note the conditions (elevation from permanent water, terrain, indicator species, etc) as this will help you when you are evaluating new hunting grounds.

Good luck!
Martin
 
The next time you go collecting these, do you mind taking a photo of where you collect them from? I'm in the middle of the area they are native to, but I'm really not sure where to look. I'm gonna go check this thread again to see if you already answered this, but what environment were they collected from? I gather it was wet. Were they understory trees (in shady areas) or were they out in the open?

rockm and Martin Sweeney have given you good information. I don't feel like I need to add on to what they advised. I happen to have a few pics though, for good measure.

Good hunting!

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rockm and Martin Sweeney have given you good information. I don't feel like I need to add on to what they advised. I happen to have a few pics though, for good measure.

Good hunting!

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That's how my parents' property in NY looks as well. It slopes down to a creek, and I find american beech a little higher up, and the hornbeam a little further down and interspersed with the beech.
 
Thanks a lot guys! There is a branch behind my house that has a creek running through it, as well as several 100+ foot tall tulip poplars and a couple of the biggest oaks I have ever personally seen. I'll have to go and see if I can identify any of these sometime soon.
 
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