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Benny Lu

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Hi, this is my first post in this forum since joined this forum in 2019

location: Bandung, West Java, Indonesia

Found this forum by accident on google when I was searching for some information about sowing JBP seeds back in October 2019.
Not knowing there’s a 6 years JBP contest, I was 20 months behind. Been following that contest since.
I think it is time to share back what I’ve learned this past few years from this forum, and still learning. Especially growing JBP in our Am/Cfb climate (Koppen), zone 13b ?


It was sow now think later, if it dies it dies.
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1 October 2019, approx a week later, full lava mixed particle size (unshieved, unwashed)

All died due to damping-off😅
 
start another batch of seeds on December 2019. Brown stuff was cinnamon powder.3C9385D2-8F94-4EE1-9051-DE588F8A8D07.jpeg


did some cuttings too, in full lava unshieved unwashed
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success rate was very low, from 150 seeds sown only about less than 20% survived. Pics below taken on 7 March 2020.
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and covid-19 arrived in Indonesia around March 2020
 
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started another batch of seeds on May-July 2021
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by 2021, the initial batch has decreased in number
some died, some given to others, some already in collander (still searching my phone gallery for pics)
 
didn't take much photos during 2021-2022

the initial 2019 batch as of June 2023:
three of them are stacked
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still learning where to prune/cut back, which branch to keep/grow
 

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Selamat datang di situs! Saatnya untuk melihat apakah Google Terjemahan berfungsi sebagaimana mestinya!

Welcome to the site! Time to see if Google Translate works as well as it's supposed to!
 
Mighty fine results!
You have the magical touch.
 
Thank you for welcoming.

Still a lot to learn, especially the timing for pruning/cutting, since I can't find climate reference for this specific plant in this specific region.
Here we only have two seasons: dry vs wet, and temperature pretty much the same throughout the year, warm-hot-humid.

This last three years I'm still observing the growth pattern of these trees. None of them is the same.

Will post more pics.
 
Nice progress. Do they enter a period of dormancy at all or have they enjoyed a period of continual growth so far? I often wonder how species with usually distinct dormancy/growth cycles react when there is no rest period. I thought that winter was when the previous year’s growth became lignified?
 
Nice progress. Do they enter a period of dormancy at all or have they enjoyed a period of continual growth so far? I often wonder how species with usually distinct dormancy/growth cycles react when there is no rest period. I thought that winter was when the previous year’s growth became lignified?
thanks
to be honest, I don't know. Still learning about their growth pattern, and will start to documenting so it'll be useful in the future.
but maybe... IMO their dormancy period is so short.. just maybe..



I'll take some pictures of my tallest semi-abandoned initial batch. And post it here in next hours, and maybe we can discuss it.
 
here is the tree

planted from seed in December 2019, moved to this giant pot in mid 2020, been in this pot ever since. Did some wiring, so thats where the curve comes from.
Its almost 4 years old, and close to 120cm now.
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the top portion alone is about 75cm (A) and still pushing. Same needle pattern indicates its still in one season? So I have no idea about dormancy.
previous season in (B)
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last week I cut the top portion of the pot, as it shaded the lower part of the tree. It’s time for cleaning up some needles so the interior and lower part can get more sun.
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the base
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That’s mad for four years growth. It’ll be interesting when you do a trunk chop to see how the distinction between cycles/rings is. How long has that top section been pushing for?

It is amazing just how diverse a climate some things can handle.
 
How long has that top section been pushing for?

It is amazing just how diverse a climate some things can handle.
around 5 months I think

If I remember it correctly, Januari 2023 that top portion is about the same height as other surrounding brances (maybe 10cm lower back than)

Sorry no pics from previous years.

This tree is the same age as those I grow in collander.
 
Hello Benny,

Great to see a fellow Indonesian on the forums.

I was just in Bandung last October and it was chilly. Around 18-20 degrees Celcius early morning.
Love the evening & sunrise fog that happens quite naturally and often.

Love the fat trunk on your biggest JBP. :)

What soil mix are you using for your mature black pines?

How are your success rates with new JBP seeds germination? I am averaging 14-15 out of 100 seeds.
Really low germination even after stratification for 2 weeks in the fridge after 1 day of pre-soaking.

Greetings from Denpasar :-)
 
So what do you think? Dormancy or not?
I don't know enough about the physiology behind it, but I’d hazard a guess like yours, a tiny one - possibly. The fact that you have a distinction between between last year’s and this year’s growth suggests that much to me. It’s hard to go against genetics as well. January is very early growing to start based on usual climates though so it might depend on when last year’s stopped pushing as to whether a true dormancy occurred.

It’d be interesting to know on a single flush pine whether it sets buds and keeps on going or if it has to stop for longer before the next season’s growth starts.
 
Hello Benny,

Great to see a fellow Indonesian on the forums.

I was just in Bandung last October and it was chilly. Around 18-20 degrees Celcius early morning.
Love the evening & sunrise fog that happens quite naturally and often.

Love the fat trunk on your biggest JBP. :)

What soil mix are you using for your mature black pines?

How are your success rates with new JBP seeds germination? I am averaging 14-15 out of 100 seeds.
Really low germination even after stratification for 2 weeks in the fridge after 1 day of pre-soaking.

Greetings from Denpasar :)
my fellow Indonesians! Apa kabar Bli? ;)

I'd say the weather in Bandung is similar with mountainous region in Bali, 700m above sea level.

soil mix is lava rock in bulk unsieved unwashed, mixed particle size
with a little bit of goat manure


germination rates was around 80%, standard 24h soaking then straight to sowing media
I got my seeds from F.W. Schumacher hand carried by a friend, it was pre-covid.
Still got a few in the fridge, last time I sow (mid 2021) it still germinate.


It was the damping off that kills many of the germinated seeds, probably because of unsterile media.
And the seedling cutting that didn't root. So my survival ratio was low on damping-off & seedling cutting, around 10%.


I notice you have successful air layered your JBP? I should try that too!
Last week I cut some shoots and stick it to media, hopefully it's a successful cuttings.
 
I don't know enough about the physiology behind it, but I’d hazard a guess like yours, a tiny one - possibly. The fact that you have a distinction between between last year’s and this year’s growth suggests that much to me. It’s hard to go against genetics as well. January is very early growing to start based on usual climates though so it might depend on when last year’s stopped pushing as to whether a true dormancy occurred.

It’d be interesting to know on a single flush pine whether it sets buds and keeps on going or if it has to stop for longer before the next season’s growth starts.
we will see. I'll try to take at least one photos per week for this tree.

I think I'll leave the top alone, strip all last year needles from section B, cut back the remaining branch, and see what happens.


Haven't check the roots, I suspect the tap root is big and circling the pot already. Buds first, roots for next year I think.
 
my fellow Indonesians! Apa kabar Bli? ;)

I'd say the weather in Bandung is similar with mountainous region in Bali, 700m above sea level.

soil mix is lava rock in bulk unsieved unwashed, mixed particle size
with a little bit of goat manure


germination rates was around 80%, standard 24h soaking then straight to sowing media
I got my seeds from F.W. Schumacher hand carried by a friend, it was pre-covid.
Still got a few in the fridge, last time I sow (mid 2021) it still germinate.


It was the damping off that kills many of the germinated seeds, probably because of unsterile media.
And the seedling cutting that didn't root. So my survival ratio was low on damping-off & seedling cutting, around 10%.


I notice you have successful air layered your JBP? I should try that too!
Last week I cut some shoots and stick it to media, hopefully it's a successful cuttings.

Thanks for sharing your growing experience Benny.

Yes. Please give air-layering a try, especially on certain branches which you intend to cut.
But if your branching is causing undesirable "whorls" - swelling at the intersection between the main trunk and the start of the branch, please take action early.
The trick for me on the JBP air-layers is: CLONEX Purple Rooting Gel - why?

In January 2023, I attempted an air-layer on quite a thick branch, usually after 90 days, I should see some roots forming.
March, April went by, and nothing happened.

[Early May 2023 ] As I opened up the air-layer to check, the area of where I have cut out the cambian has started to callus. <---- This is perfectly normal, as most JBP airlayers do not take. In all honesty, I was even surprised that I could air-layer a blackpine (at all).

What I did was, scrap off and make another clean incision above the callus area, remove any cambian (green) to expose the white (non-green), apply a generous amount of CLONEX purple gel, cover up with moist sphagnum moss, and wrap it up.
Just 2 days ago, I noticed at the bottom right corner of the air-layer, and thick roots were forming.
This is the first time, I have rejuvenated an air-layer which has callus over time with no roots > to new rooting taking place.
My logic to this is either luck or most definitely the large amounts of Clonex that I have dumped on that new airlayer.
Luck, Clonex; Clonex Luck.

I noticed you are using slow-release Osmocote type fertilizer too. (see: blue dots in your lava soil)
The trend in Indonesia with the usual JBP seedlings for sale on Shopee and Tokopedia is that they are mostly grown in "sekam mentah".
I have heard that many JBP growers has success with Sekam Bakar. To me, sekam as a soil media is way too light, and I cannot grasp a hold on when to water next. Inorganic soil mixes seem to be better suited for my JBP growing.

I started somewhere in 2019 too - pre-covid.
The 1st mix I was experimenting with consists of : 1/4 bamboo humus, 1/2 black sand (pasir malang), 1/4 sekam mentah. Mostly organic. I would fertilize with Osmocote 17-11-10.
[this is the period where I killed the most JBPs , lots of damping off, bacteria, water regime / routine problems]

The 2nd mix was mostly advice by Bonsai Nutters here: 1/3 Akadama, 1/3 Pumice, 1/3 Lava rock - This mix has served me really well till now.
Especially in Colander baskets.
[this is period where I just kick back, stop stressing, and let the juveniles grow and grown, repot once in 3 years to a bigger colander, no disturbance to the roots, just adding more soil media, and allowing a bigger root space]

In between, as my water is really alkaline at 8.3 - 8.5, I started placing pine bark as top soil to ensure the soil media keeps a slightly lower pH environment as most plants require a pH 6 - 6.5 to thrive.

At the moment, I am just using 50/50 Akadama + Pumice.

Long candles have been shooting out since end of April till now. Elongation still on-going on some, on others: some new shoot formations.

Are you planning to style your biggest JBP beast with nice thick trunk profile soon? Maybe repot in a proper suited bonsai pot?
What are your progression thoughts?
 
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