Dwarf Balsam Fir

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Anyone think these are Bonsai material. I saw some extremely nice one's in a nursery today. They are just maybe 2'6" tall, width is almost identical, they had buds, and cones, old and new growth, pruned like a globe with a slight apex on the top. I hope I'm not misnaming the type I looked at lots of trees today. Mainly just pricing trees. Wish I had a picture of one, maybe next time I go I'll get one on my cell phone.
 
Sounds grafted.

Sorce
 
What does that mean? They were the best looking dwarf's I ever saw. But, the price and dense foliage kept me from investigating the trunk size.

I don't personally f with grafted stock...

Usually there is a bulge where the dwarf is out on rootstock...

And something like that sounds like a beanpole straight trunk too....

Gotta buy trunks....

Or better....dig em!

Sorce
 
I googled grafted dwarf balsam for and my fish eye avatar is a few pics down!

Awesome!

Sorce
 
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Are like the tiny Mugos I've found...

Likely from cuttings...
Usually they are in 4in pots for less than $14 bucks.
I forget the "brand name" of who makes these...but I find them here at big semi-commercial nurseries....

Sorce
 
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Are like the tiny Mugos I've found...

Likely from cuttings...
Usually they are in 4in pots for less than $14 bucks.
I forget the "brand name" of who makes these...but I find them here at big semi-commercial nurseries....

Sorce
I didn't mean for it to look like I make fun of your fisheye man, don't take it that way, it was just an urge...
That looks like it without the mature and young growth and precision pruning. They sure as hell weren't $14 bucks, and I didn't see any small pots around, they were $350 bucks. Maybe I'm dreaming that if I looked into foliage and see the trunks I could get a lot more than just one nearly straight Bonsai trunk from it. Now, I have to go back and take another look LMAO I hate doing things more than once.
 
I didn't mean for it to look like I make fun of your fisheye man, don't take it that way, it was just an urge...
That looks like it without the mature and young growth and precision pruning. They sure as hell weren't $14 bucks, and I didn't see any small pots around, they were $350 bucks. Maybe I'm dreaming that if I looked into foliage and see the trunks I could get a lot more than just one nearly straight Bonsai trunk from it. Now, I have to go back and take another look LMAO I hate doing things more than once.

Make fun of my fish eye?

I don't know what you mean!

I just googled that....and the pic came up with a link to this thread?

Lolol....I found you too!QuickMemo+_2016-05-04-19-02-17.png
Mine is a few down...

What's weird...is it says 5 days ago!
WTF? Time warp!

Anyway....

I want to show you a pic of a bad graft...
Lotta people here use them...
Ahem... @Giga @aml1014
Show him a bad graft!

Lol...

@ColinFraser has a good really bad graft pic too...

Seriously....

For the most enjoyment....
Locally dug really gangster trees take the most abuse....with the least care.

Nursery stock is a difficult...NUT...to crack straight away IMO.

But I don't rock winter protection.

Sorce
 
Well the type "mugo" you call them? The one's I saw were decoratively trimmed and had the cones, buds, and dense foliage from top to bottom. I didn't realize they could be grown that way from grafts but even still, they look like nothing I've seen before.
And I looked at Japanese Maple that are everywhere in all nurseries. But I'm looking for something challenging. Didn't find anything challenging enough yet and so I wasted $40 bucks on a Fukien Tea Tree in a pot:(
 
I'm sorry.... The Mugo...was in reference to another thread...

Sometimes I assume everyone reads everything.

Mugo is a pine...
But they get sold like that one...
Also cypress, and a couple others...

Lalalalalala...

Sorce
 
I know I googled it after I read and replied to it. So does your fisheye mean you have fish too? I had a few tanks or about 5 or 6 at one time years ago. Had plants growing in it etc....
 
It's the eye of a pissed off smallmouth bass if I ever saw one. They look you right in the eye and you know if it was 10 foot long it would try to eat you.
 
Majority of miniature conifers are propagated by grafting, even the tiny dwarfs. There are a few that do root from cuttings and I have heard of a few being produced by meristematic tissue culture. But vast majority of named cultivars are from grafting.

A well done graft that is fully healed, will be almost invisible.Sadly this is not common. With dwarfs and miniatures, often the root stck always grows fater than the scion, leaving a zone of abrupt taper on the trunk if well done, leaves a permanent ugly bulging scar on poorly done grafts.

No mater how pricy and ''purty'' the tree, you need to look at the trunk. Sometimes you get lucky and find a good one. Its always worth looking.

With genetic dwarfs and witches brooms, these miniature cultivars often are difficult choices for bonsai because of their slow growth rates. If a miniature only grows (for example) one inch a year, it will take forever to rebuild foliage after styling a tree. When styling a genetic dwarf, choose your style so that you don't need to build foliage to fill an empty space if at all possible. If you cut back to minimal foliage, with the plan to rebuild large parts, you can end up waiting years or even a decade to get the foliage you wanted.

But the tiny needles and other traits of these miniatures do make them worth trying, especially for Shohin.

Personally in my mind I try to focus on cultivars that can grow at least 4 inches per year. But that is because I'm too impatient to mess with anything slower.

By the way ''witches brooms'' are not genetic dwarfs in the traditional DNA sense. They usually occur because of epigenetic changes. Changes in the protiens surrounding the DNA rather than the DNA strands themselves. Occasionally witches brooms will revert back to normal form. Majority of witches brooms are pretty stable, But this is why they two terms are not interchangeable.
 
I wonder if a Bald Cypress seedling is subtropical enough to survive in zone 6a?
This is the sales pitch: This tree thrives in hot, moist conditions, and tends to be found throughout the American south, though it also grows as far north as Massachusetts and Minnesota.
A deciduous conifer, this is a hardy tree, capable of living up to 800-1000 years.
Will it still need to winter outside?
 
Yes, with a little bit of shelter until it gets good and woody. Bald Cypress still exists in isolated stands in Ill.. It used to survive all the way into Michigan before the glaciers pushed it out.
 
I wonder if a Bald Cypress seedling is subtropical enough to survive in zone 6a?
This is the sales pitch: This tree thrives in hot, moist conditions, and tends to be found throughout the American south, though it also grows as far north as Massachusetts and Minnesota.
A deciduous conifer, this is a hardy tree, capable of living up to 800-1000 years.
Will it still need to winter outside?

Bald cypress is NOT subtropical. It is a temperate zone tree. In your zone it will need root protection in the winter. I've kept them here in Va. (where the species is native) through some rough winters, sub zero temps with no snow cover, etc. under a 8-10 inches of hardwood mulch in the backyard...
 
Man every Bonsai I get a liking for is a type I can't have because my yard isn't big enough.
 
I wonder if a Bald Cypress seedling is subtropical enough to survive in zone 6a?
This is the sales pitch: This tree thrives in hot, moist conditions, and tends to be found throughout the American south, though it also grows as far north as Massachusetts and Minnesota.
A deciduous conifer, this is a hardy tree, capable of living up to 800-1000 years.
Will it still need to winter outside?
Against what others have said I ran a test on one of my bald cypress this winter.
I left the tree out all autumn and beginning of winter so that it would go dormant. Around mod December I brought the tree into my tropical greenhouse. It tool about 6 weeks but it started growing like crazy. The tree did very well all winter growing. When spring finally came I put the tree outside and it slowed WAY down for about two weeks and now it is growing as normal again.

A member who left named Anthony who lived in the Caribbean, saI'd that there was a Bald cypress planted neat him quite some time ago. The tree lived and thrived without issues, but it would have its own dormancy when it choose to.

Nevertheless, they CAN be treated as subtropical and even tropical, but after my tests I realized I have enough trees in my greenhouse as is. Next winter the BC will stay outside all winter as is usual.

Aaron
 
Man every Bonsai I get a liking for is a type I can't have because my yard isn't big enough.
That's the thing about bonsai, the trees do not need to be large they can actually be very small if you know how to take care of them.
 
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