Crape Myrtle thread graft?

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Anybody successfully done a thread graft on crape myrtle?
 

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Lol, did you ask this question at the club meeting this weekend? I know someone did, and David said it would be difficult. I’d like to try it though.
 

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Lol, did you ask this question at the club meeting this weekend? I know someone did, and David said it would be difficult. I’d like to try it though.

Yes. Just asking for any experience. I guess the positive thought is, if I drill a hole for a thread graft that doesn't take, it may be enough of a wound to stimulate a bud, as Brian Van Fleet suggests. At some point I'll report back. Right now the tree is just a trunk and I'm growing out something that might serve as a thread graft later.
 

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Yes. Just asking for any experience. I guess the positive thought is, if I drill a hole for a thread graft that doesn't take, it may be enough of a wound to stimulate a bud, as Brian Van Fleet suggests. At some point I'll report back. Right now the tree is just a trunk and I'm growing out something that might serve as a thread graft later.


Yeah, I’m interested to see how it works out. Keep us posted!
 

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Have you tried making a knob cut in the spot where you want the branch to emerge? Seems like they sprout at will from callus and you could almost direct growth from the spot you want it.
I have heard this quite a few times, this work on very vigorous ficus trees as well, they will sprout or send roots out of cuts on the cambium.

Also, crepe do fuse branches and trunks, so I don't see why a thread graft wouldn't take.
 

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The thing I’ve found with Crapes is that they dont heal wounds well, if it all. So making a knob cut might direct new growth, but you could have a wound there for a really long time. I wonder how this characteristic would effect a thread graft. I dont have a Crape substantial enough to test it.
 

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The thing I’ve found with Crapes is that they dont heal wounds well, if it all. So making a knob cut might direct new growth, but you could have a wound there for a really long time. I wonder how this characteristic would effect a thread graft. I dont have a Crape substantial enough to test it.
I agree! Since this was brought up, @BrianBay9 what is the status of the crepe we are talking about? If it is already potted up, I would suggest trying the thread graft first with a thin branch using the smallest drill bit to do the job. You could root some cuttings and use them for this purpose, as most crepes I have touched have brittle branches and bending them around to rout as a thread graft may not be as easy as on a JM.

If it is in the ground, they do heal, just not as fast as JMs or trees with heavy bark.
 

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The thing I’ve found with Crapes is that they dont heal wounds well, if it all. So making a knob cut might direct new growth, but you could have a wound there for a really long time. I wonder how this characteristic would effect a thread graft. I dont have a Crape substantial enough to test it.
Hmm, this has not been my experience, but this also could be entirely my inexperience at play here. I tend to make flat cuts on my crepes vs concave cuts.

Here’s a completely healed callus from a pretty decent size cut 2 years ago:
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Here’s cuts made last year on a different tree, the smaller cuts I made just a couple weeks ago.
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Hmm, this has not been my experience, but this also could be entirely my inexperience at play here. I tend to make flat cuts on my crepes vs concave cuts.

Here’s a completely healed callus from a pretty decent size cut 2 years ago:
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Here’s cuts made last year on a different tree, the smaller cuts I made just a couple weeks ago.
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You’re right, that is good callousing. It appears to be a very young tree, older trees around here have huge ugly scars after pruning, that never go away.
 

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You’re right, that is good callousing. It appears to be a very young tree, older trees around here have huge ugly scars after pruning, that never go away.
That makes more sense. I haven’t gotten to work with older crepes yet.
 

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Since this has moved from theoretical to specific I guess I should post some pics. Here's the CM in question.

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The decision is, one trunk or two? One trunk has nice taper and movement. As you can see from this angle, below, the second trunk is a straight cylinder.


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I could break up the trunk with a thread graft. I could significantly shorten the boring trunk. I could remove it altogether.

As mentioned above, large wounds form natural uro that don't really heal well, but can be a feature. That would be my intent if I removed that trunk.
 

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That tree is much more impressive in person. I still say single trunk. Try the thread grafts, keep us posted.
 
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