Cork bark elm

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Hi all thought id say hi in this forum for elms and to show off the cork bark I got last week from a reputable bonsai nursery.

It looks like there are buds everywhere ready to pop in the coming weeks ;-)

Thanks and I'm sure ill have a lot of question regarding this little tree.

Paul
 

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Hello..

If you are interested, I’d do some selective pruning of the tree, congested with growth at the moment. In the coming months it’ll explode with more growth so I’d look at removing what’s not needed in the future design, now, rather than later.

Nice tree, I’d like that one myself.
 
Hello..

If you are interested, I’d do some selective pruning of the tree, congested with growth at the moment. In the coming months it’ll explode with more growth so I’d look at removing what’s not needed in the future design, now, rather than later.

Nice tree, I’d like that one myself.

I'm new to bonsai so a little scared to chop away :-) thanks
 
I'm new to bonsai so a little scared to chop away :) thanks

I can understand you being a bit nervous about pruning such a nice tree but it does need a bit.
This thread should get you lots of advice on how and where.

It is a really nice tree but it could be so much better with some well thought out trimming.

I really like it, good luck.
 
I can understand you being a bit nervous about pruning such a nice tree but it does need a bit.
This thread should get you lots of advice on how and where.

It is a really nice tree but it could be so much better with some well thought out trimming.

I really like it, good luck.

The supplier said to get used to it this season then do that type of pruning :-) thank you
 
Elms are one of the most forgiving when it comes to pruning. Some of my zelkovas can be defoilated multiple times a year.

That one has great movement and looks healthy. It will need to be trimmed back a bit though.
 
Defoliation is a later technique, elms don’t tend to need it.
Elms are mostly bullet proof, I’d do a bit of trimming if you research and learn online.
In 5 months it’s gonna be a wild bush without trimming.
 
@MrWunderful would I do that when it has started growing ??

You could, if you wanted to reduce leaf size. I wasnt really recomending defoilation, just using it as an example on the hardiness of elms :) That elm already looks pretty ramified. Like the other poster said though, if you dont tame it then it might lose its shape quickly.
 
That's a very nice tree (to start out with)!
If you feel scared to go pruning, that's ok, I've had that too and I bet most of us have. Try and see if you can get lessons nearby if you feel ready for that, it will save you a lot of hassle down the road! Reputable people would be the Bonsai Eejit, Philip Donnelly and Robert Porch. Rob is from Scotland but he frequently makes the trip across if I'm not mistaken.
 
Defoliating is for leaf size reduction and/or increasing ramification. This tree doesn't need it now, or for some years to come. What it needs right now is to choose major architecture and make some open space "for the birdies to fly thru".

It is never easier to pick and choose what stays and what goes than when the tree is free of leaves. Same goes for wiring. You need to revert to the rules of bonsai until such time that you find a feature or form that is striking in a appealing way, at which time you can choose to ignore the rules. When you don't know what to do, follow the rules of bonsai:

Find a front: the best view, or the view that incorporates the best combination of nebari, trunk movement, branch placement, and any other feature you want to see or accent, and/or hide.

Choose 1st, 2nd, and 3rd branches (thence 4th, ad infinitum) and make space in-between them: they should be arrayed in a spiral staircase beginning at lower left or lower right with the heaviest branch, with each succeeding branch being shifted ~137.25° further around the trunk, smaller in diameter as you rise, and approximately the same open space, but space and length diminishing, between the succeeding levels. Ideally, the 2nd branch would be on the other side of the tree, with the 3rd branch sticking out the rear and giving you some depth of field. Whatever else is true, you need to make the best with what you have. Lower branches should be longer than the branches above, and have a similar shape, sag, foliage mass and general appearance. All the branches have been affected by the same forces of nature and should appear to belong together on the tree. The branches on the windward side of the tree will be shorter than those on the downwind side forming an unequal triangle from the front view. The windward side, most often left side, having the shortest triangle leg, the downwind side having the longest leg, and the bottom being a different length than the other two. It should also be an unequal triangle shape from the plan-view, too (from the top looking down): the longest leg is the front, and should be mostly open and clear of obstructive foliage so as to show off as much trunk and branch architecture as possible/artistically advisable; the shortest side (windward) runs from the tips of the left side of the tree to the center of the rear of the tree; and the last leg runs from the center of the rear to the furthest tip of foliage of the longest downwind (~right~) branch tip. These two triangles together form a three-sided pyramid that has unequal sides, called the Golden Triangle (GT). The branches of the spiral staircase all fit within the boundaries of the GT ~generally~.

Each branch should have foliage sticking ~straight out sideways into a flat fan. No foliage growing straight down or straight up. New growth will grow ~straight up from what is there, and you should clip & grow it into a pleasantly-crowned shape: not like a topiary, not dead flat, in-between. Lower branches should have wider, heavier, thicker fans/clouds than those higher above. The fans should look like they all belong to the same tree, formed by the same forces. The lower branches droop more than those above showing greater weight and age. Somewhere near the top, branches will be horizontal, with those above that layer slightly rising. New foliage will grow straight up for the most part, which should be trimmed to have some semi-round crown on a deciduous tree. Most pine designs have approximately a pointy tippy-top branch that is the leader of the trunk. In both kinds of trees, the bottom of the fans/clouds should not have foliage obstructing the clear view of the architecture of the branches. "Branches" do not have foliage near where they emerge from the trunk. "Twigs" may have foliage on all parts.

The quicker you do this, let's say in one sitting? The worse the end product. Take your time choosing what to remove and what to keep in this process of, more than anything else, making open space. Many perfectly good twigs and branches will need to be wired to a better place. You might want to tie twist-ties on the branches that are candidates for keeping so you can make all the choices of major branches before you clear-out the space in-between. I'm sure others will add interesting advice, too, so give this a couple days for the additional info and bloodletting to dry before you actually do your work. @Smoke will probably advise you how to draw a prospective plan that will be helpful in clearing the vision of extraneous twigs and buds, and you're sure to hear some "don't do that, do this..." All of which will give you choices to make. It's your tree.
 
Thank you for all the advice, with growing season starting in a couple weeks I think I will stick with maintanence pruning until next year, learn more about bonsai and then start work on the tree. The advice is amazing so far and thanks again @Forsoothe! @Smoke @Tentakelaertje @ConorDash and all the rest.

This is the front I have decided for the tree by the way ;-) 20190319_075456.jpg
 
Looks like a fun little Elm, enjoy it!:D:D:D

Guinness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:


I should add that a good place to start learning about handling Elms would be some of the fine threads by @Smoke . He does excellent work on the subject and I think you could learn a lot from what he has shared here.:)
 
If you think this elm needs a stick figure attached to it to make it better, your less of an artist than I perceived.
"What we've got here, is a failure to communicate..." The stick figure presentation is a lesson in using stick figure drawings of the major elements to establish an understanding of the inherent, beginning, flow/design of a tree, such that an artist can manipulate, on paper, the branches to arrive at a coherent final design before cutting anything off. It concerns itself with lines that flow well verses lines that are uncomplimentary. Art lessons for the uninitiated.

I think the tree is real close to being overgrown. Almost everything that grows this year will need to be removed, henceforth. It would be better to take it back to major branches now and grow the fans, this year and henceforth, and lose very little of what wood will grow from this point on. It's to the point of pinching back, if, and only if, it had an established architecture of major branches. Otherwise, it will only get more congested. No?
 
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