Branch Placement

[rokr]

Hey,

I have a Jap Larch that requires a branch growing lower down the trunk (https://www.instagram.com/p/BM49ERDB7oW ... -by=rokrcj - Just up above from where that old branch was chopped by the previous owner).

Now, i do have a decently thick one growing at the apex, which will def be chopped out.

Is it poss for me to drill a hole and insert the said chopped branch into it (by exposing the green cambium)? it will be a snug fit and i was intending to then secure the new branch in place with a sufficiently long enough screw.

Is this poss? would the branch survive?

Worst case scenario, it fails and i fill the hole and wait for callusing....

I reckon John Naka would have it in his book.

Also would before bud burst be the best time for this??


Cheers

 

[0soyoung]

Success depends upon the cambiums joining and producing a continuous layer of xyelm (wood) across the joint. Gotta have foliage to do that, but foliage must have water for photosynthesis making the fuel and material to grow with - problem is analogous to rooting a cutting. If you could grow a long branch that could be threaded through a hole or held in a groove in the trunk, you wouldn't have the desiccation worry and could, in principle, wait forever - analogous to air-layering.

Oh, yes, it is possible.
Best time is just before the sap starts flowing in your clime = March-ish.

 

[rokr]

So if I get as tight a fit as poss between severed branch and trunk hole with good cambium contact from both, it would work

 

[0soyoung]

So if I get as tight a fit as poss between severed branch and trunk hole with good cambium contact from both, it would could work

May need to bag the branch (aka scion) to keep it from desiccating.

The cambium on the branch and on the trunk MUST be in intimate contact, at least at one point.

 

[mattspinniken]

Look up thread grafting. I have had more success with using the apex of a young and vigorous sapling of the same species than a branch on the tree itself. The more vigorous the tree that needs grafting the more likely your success will be.

 

[crust]

Not heard of this ever successfully being done with larch.

 

[MichaelS]

Look up thread grafting. I have had more success with using the apex of a young and vigorous sapling of the same species than a branch on the tree itself. The more vigorous the tree that needs grafting the more likely your success will be.

Hey,

I have a Jap Larch that requires a branch growing lower down the trunk (https://www.instagram.com/p/BM49ERDB7oW ... -by=rokrcj - Just up above from where that old branch was chopped by the previous owner).

Now, i do have a decently thick one growing at the apex, which will def be chopped out.

Is it poss for me to drill a hole and insert the said chopped branch into it (by exposing the green cambium)? it will be a snug fit and i was intending to then secure the new branch in place with a sufficiently long enough screw.

Is this poss? would the branch survive?

Worst case scenario, it fails and i fill the hole and wait for callusing....

I reckon John Naka would have it in his book.

Also would before bud burst be the best time for this??


Cheers

You don't have a hope in hell of this working. Just grow the tree taller.

 

[Smoke]

You don't have a hope in hell of this working. Just grow the tree taller.

With Trump as President now, this kind of reply makes sense. I like it. Blunt and to the point. Bravo!

 

[MichaelS]

Sorry I didn't mean to be to be so short, just thought there was nothing more to say.

 

[rokr]

You don't have a hope in hell of this working. Just grow the tree taller.

Well now I'm just going to have to try it to prove you wrong...

With Trump as President now, this kind of reply makes sense. I like it. Blunt and to the point. Bravo!

I tilt my hat to you sir for that response

 

[rokr]

On another note, how does grafting white pine to black root stock work?

Wouldn't white pine be chopped before Union....?

 

[MichaelS]

rokr, post: 410679,

See I don't get this.

You ask this:

Is this poss? would the branch survive?

I answered with this

You don't have a hope in hell of this working

(meaning........no, there is no possibility of the branch surviving).

Then you come back with this:

Well now I'm just going to have to try it to prove you wrong...

.....................................................................................................................................................
So let me now say this:

why ask the question?

To elucidate, this procedure can only be accomplished by first grafting a seedling onto the said branch and if the graft is successful, you may be then able to remove the branch after 1 year has passed, and place it in the hole you have made. This way the branch is being fed by the seedling until a union takes place. (and there's no guarantee of that either) I have only been successful in this once. It is difficult work at the best of times.
By growing the tree taller, (simple and quick) you overcome your problem by lowering the height of the main branch relative to the trees' new height.

 

[Djtommy]

If you use the branch above and pull it down and make some pads so its not just flat like now you can also fill in the gap where you want a branch i think.

 

[petegreg]

...like the first left branch on this...
https://futterwithtrees.wordpress.com/2016/10/31/larch-progress-larix-kaemperi/

 

[Djtommy]

...like the first left branch on this...
https://futterwithtrees.wordpress.com/2016/10/31/larch-progress-larix-kaemperi/

Yes indeed, is that your blog?

 

[petegreg]

Yes indeed, is that your blog?

No, I prefer forum. But who knows, once bored in winter...