Boxwood - indoors or not indoors?

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I've been reading a lot of conflicting information about Boxwood's care and whether they can be kept indoors or not. Some claim they need a period of winter dormancy others claim its not as needed. Is winter dormancy a necessary action for the tree's survival or is it a reaction to the low temperatures to ensure it's own survival?

To me it sounds like it is more of a reaction, rather than a necessary action (required dormancy), when reading information such as this:

"Should there be a warm snap in winter, the shrub may come out of dormancy and begin producing new, succulent growth. Subsequent freezes will result in the death of not only the new growth but the loss of moisture from older foliage as well, turning it brown."

The article can be found here: http://homeguides.sfgate.com/boxwood-bush-turning-brown-winter-86925.html .

Then again what do I know? I'm obviously no expert nor do I have an opinion that is backed by scientific facts or I wouldn't be writing this forum post in the first place asking these questions.

In Pennsylvania we have winters where they can be pretty brutal (like this last one) or we can have winters that are off and on with warm and cold spells. So from just knowing that fact alone through experience, it would seem that a boxwood outside in the winter would cycle in and out of a dormancy period. This would then kill off new growth during a cold spell and encouraging growth during warm spells. This to me sounds like it would exhaust the plant, not provide it with a "resting period", and going through such a series of cycles would cause more harm than good. From my understanding a juniper can be kept in a unheated garage for winter protection because the tree goes into this dormancy period, which sounds like more of an action the tree takes. If a boxwood would be kept the same, it sounds as if it would be harmful to the tree since it needs light and the tree can put out new growth in the middle of winter. The only thing stopping this new growth would be the cold. So this to me sounds like the boxwood is undergoing "dormancy" as more of a means of a reaction to the cold. I'm curious to see what others think when it comes to "dormancy" for trees.

Here is an article that lists boxwoods as a great garden plant that can make great houseplants.

Top 10 Outdoor Garden Plants That Make Great Houseplants
http://gardening.about.com/od/bringingoutdoorplantsin/tp/HouseplantsIn.htm :

6. Boxwood and Myrtle
Small potted evergreen boxwood and myrtle make easy going houseplants and nice winter decorations. They prefer a direct light source and turning every few days will keep them growing evenly on all sides. Humidity is crucial to evergreen houseplants and misting is necessary. Water when the soil feels dry and feed monthly. Keep watch for spider mites. (Bright to Moderate Light)


Bonsai Boy states the following: http://www.bonsaiboy.com/catalog/boxwoodcare.html

PLACEMENT WINTER
"Once nightly lows begin approaching the freezing mark, it is time to bring your bonsai inside. During the winter months, the tree should be moved to a northern windowsill where it should be allowed to go semi-dormant. It should not receive any sunlight and should be kept cool (perhaps 50-55 degrees). Water approximately every 7-10 days. After this resting period, it should be placed outdoors; however, once the tree is moved to a location with more light, the watering and feeding schedule should increase accordingly."

The thing about the above information which doesn't make sense to me is the fact that they state that the tree should be brought inside on a windowsill where it should be allowed to go semi-dormant. This then conflicts with the information I posted above that states: "Should there be a warm snap in winter, the shrub may come out of dormancy and begin producing new, succulent growth." Naturally, if a tree is brought indoors it will be brought into warmer temperatures therefore coming out of dormancy.

Then I read the following from Sleepy Hollow Bonsai : http://www.shbonsai.com/care_boxwood.html

Winter Care

"To maintain good health, Boxwood bonsai should be kept outdoors during the winter months so that they can experience a dormancy or rest period. During this period, your bonsai should be protected from drying winds and extreme cold conditions. This can be achieved by utilizing cold frames, window wells, enclosed unheated rooms, or mulch beds."

The above then conflicts with what Bonsai Boy is saying since Bonsai Boy is saying that the tree needs to brought inside once the freezing temperatures come into play, yet Sleepy Hollow is saying that the tree needs to be taken outside, with protection. The only thing that seems to be agreed upon between these guides is that the tree needs a resting period. How that resting period is achieved seems conflicting. This agreement however then conflicts with the article I posted initially stating that boxwoods make great houseplants during the winter. Another conflicting note, if a tree is not to receive any sunlight during this "resting period" inside as stated by bonsai boy, assuming that we reach the temperatures within this storage area as suggested, then wouldn't the recommendation of keeping the tree outside mean that the tree does in fact need sunlight during this dormancy period? Then another question one could ask themselves would be whether this temperature of 50-55 degrees is appropriate to avoid stimulating new growth because if these temperatures are too warm then wouldn't the tree be triggered to push out new growth as stated in the home-guides article hence the tree would in fact need appropriate lighting? This question then leads me to my previous question whether dormancy for this tree is a needed action for survival or rather a reaction to ensure survival.

I also read this article (found here: http://www.fukubonsai.com/2b2a2a.html ) which completely conflicts everything, particularly what is stated below:

"Now, how about needle evergreens as fluorescent light bonsai? I have heard again and again that junipers (Juniperus spp.) cannot be grown indoors for any length of time. I know that even if I swear here that my two oldest indoor junipers have grown inside under cool white fluorescent light for 21 and 19 years respectively with no outdoor vacations, there will be those who read this and continue to assure their friends that it cannot be done. Admittedly juniper growth is slow under fluorescent light, but they survive and are healthy.

I am convinced that most people, trying to be nice to their trees, over water junipers indoors. Let the soil surface of the established juniper get definitely dry between waterings. Incidentally, boxwoods, cotoneasters and serissas respond well to this treatment too; most azaleas also in my experience."


When talking about growing "indoors" are we referring to the common idea of growing plants indoors, which is purely just placing a plant/tree in a window and considering that this placement would be sufficient enough for all the tree's/plant's needs? Or when talking about growing indoors, are we talking about "indoors" as in the same fashion that I am about to illustrate below with my own set-up? If it is the former rather than the latter listed above, then I could see why "indoors" may have such a bad stigma. The latter of my questions above however are what I'm trying to better understand.

Right now I have a boxwood that is sitting in a bay window with a 4 foot long lighting fixture with 6 grow lights installed that is set to a timer, with blue LED night lights. I have a digital meter situated as well that reads the temperature inside this windowed area, as well as the humidity. I wired together a large computer cooling fan (for air movement) and mounted it with velcro strips for easy adjusting, which is also plugged into the timer with the lights. I had a humidifier but it recently bit-it mainly because I think it was cheap to begin with so I will be purchasing another one soon. I also have a few ficus trees here as well and I have a small juniper (nana procumbens) to serve as a test subject to see if this kind of set-up can sustain this tree year round. The boxwood tree that I have I am very fond of and would like to keep this tree inside year round, if possible.

If anybody has first-hand experience with anything like this, I would greatly appreciate your input and what your findings are with such a thing.

What humidity levels would you maintain?

Would you need a different form of soil for better drainage or less drainage?

Humidity trays, do they work?

Moisture meters: What readings do you need for what plants/trees? I can only find appropriate reading levels for buxus but not for junipers.

What lighting did you find works best?

What temperature readings need to be obtained to aid certain trees/plants with their dormancy needs?

Point is, this conflicting information is everywhere with multiple species of trees/plants. So my question again is this: Can a boxwood be grown indoors or not?
 
Do you have boxwood in the landscaping in Pennsylvania? It can and needs to be outside. Jack Wickle can grow junipers in doors for years, but that doesn't mean you can. Sorry if that sounds harsh, I'm not trying to be.
 
Do you have boxwood in the landscaping in Pennsylvania? It can and needs to be outside. Jack Wickle can grow junipers in doors for years, but that doesn't mean you can. Sorry if that sounds harsh, I'm not trying to be.

No that doesn't sound harsh and I appreciate the response. Why though can he grow a juniper indoors however an individual like myself can not?

Unless he can turn water into wine, or in this case water into fertilizer, then I will just throw in the towel. If he can't perform miracles like this however then what exactly does he do that I can not?

Also you say boxwood needs to be outside, but for what reasons? You may be correct, and I'm not arguing with you, I'm just trying to get a better understanding of it because others claim that it doesn't. Have you ever tried keeping a boxwood inside in the same manner and set-up that I described? If you did how did you do it and what did you find? If you have only kept them outside then what are your thoughts and experiences with boxwoods and their dormancy needs? Boxwood winter care seems conflicting as well the more I look into it.
 
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Boxwood and Junipers should be grown outdoors period. There may be the odd one here and there that will live indoors but they are rarer then having the Mega Millions numbers twice in a row. You'll just waste your money and frustrate yourself if you try.
 
Thanks for the link to the boxwood site . I believe that's what has happened to my boxwood. Now have a better understanding. But how to prevent it for me I guess is to leave outside all winter. Mine was in a unseated shed for winter but I think I could not control the temps when it was unseasonably warm. Then back to really cold temps. Im newer to this hobby so not 100% sure. If it lives, I'll be dreading winter time. I Just don't want the same thing to happen. Inside or out I'm not the one with any experience to try to answer. But what your saying makes me think maybe in with the right setup.
 
The short of it is that environments that make you happy rarely make a green living thing happy. Light is usually wrong, heat is too high too often, too dry, little air movement etc.....

People who DO grow things like junipers and boxwoods indoors.... especially as bonsai... which usually involves a lot of other concerns like fast draining, lower moisture mediums... don't turn water into ferts.... instead they subject their lives and comfort to the trees before themselves. It's what separates the truly devoted - who will do it at any cost - from the hobbiest. There's room in the world for every type of enthusiast. Just don't be disappointed if they are successful at something which would, over time, die off in your environment.

You CAN grow anything anywhere with the right environment. But will it be worth the effort as it fits into your life?

I never get to be away from home in the summer, I watch temps all winter along and move dozens of trees in and out of shelter to accommodate whatever I'm willing to subject them to.... I take days off from work during heat waves so I can make sure I'm home for a life saving mid-day watering.

I don't keep trees indoors.... and there's a reason.... it's further than I'm willing to go, and I go pretty far.

Hope that helps you think about whether or not you should do a thing, rather than can you do a thing.

Kindly,

Victrinia
 
My boxwood are outside from late April-late November/early December depending on how fast the weather warms in the spring and cools in the winter.

They spend the winter in an unheated garage where they are protected from extreme cold and winds and where I can make sure they get water when they need it. The garage does get cold though. This past winter it went below 30 deg in there during the very cold days. There were also days I had to open the door for a few hours to keep it cold.

Junipers need to be outside and are treated much the same way as boxwood during winter: ie protection from extreme cold and winds.

Many people winter their hardy trees outside with a wind barrier around them and then burying their trees in leaves then snow.
 
Interesting fact... most trees only need to hit sub-50 degree temps for about 150 hours to achieve the effect of dormancy.

Don't know why I wanted to mention that... but it feels germane. :cool:

V
 
I wouldn't be so quick to go to Bonsai Boy for your information. They're hardly knowledgeable on their "bonsai."
 
You CAN grow anything anywhere with the right environment. But will it be worth the effort as it fits into your life?

I never get to be away from home in the summer, I watch temps all winter along and move dozens of trees in and out of shelter to accommodate whatever I'm willing to subject them to.... I take days off from work during heat waves so I can make sure I'm home for a life saving mid-day watering.

I don't keep trees indoors.... and there's a reason.... it's further than I'm willing to go, and I go pretty far.

Several people have posted stating that certain sources I linked are horrible for accurate information so I'm sure you can appreciate how frustrating it is for somebody trying to break into the hobby yet nobody can agree on anything because everything is conflicted by somebody else's care instructions. If anything I would imagine that this would deter a lot of people from even trying to embrace this hobby at all, especially after their first tree dies and they have no idea why.



Victrinia,
Thank you for the response Victrinia, it is greatly appreciated and I found to be of value. I've also enjoyed your blog and have read sections of it several times in the past year. There is information in there that I have found extremely valuable and I hope you keep providing such insight even if they may appear as "10 page papers" as you put it under "The Seven States Of Bonsai". People, like myself, appreciate material that is thorough.

I do have one question however and I hope you can help me better understand this. When speaking in terms of keeping a tree indoors, you illustrated that the care and dedication towards these trees and their health would require more attention than what is needed when keeping these trees outside.
From what I have gathered, and the thought process that is currently striking my curiosity, is that keeping a tree indoors would be the opposite would it not? Is there something I'm missing in terms of indoor care? If the appropriate time and efforts were put into place to achieve an environment that is capable of sustaining proper health and growth of say a boxwood, then would it not be easier to take care of that tree since the environment would be more controlled? For example you mention heat waves and cold snaps, above in your quote, but if your tree(s) were in a more controlled environment would that not then enable you to not have to take a day off of work to ensure the survival of your trees?
I only ask because I've lead myself to believe (also from reading Jack Wickle's article) that once the fine-tuning and tinkering of certain variables is completed then the process itself involving the trees and their health would be enjoyable. For example he states that he has kept junipers indoors for 20 years with no outside vacation and the temperatures of his basement only got as low as 64 degrees. This only then makes me question the requirements of an actual dormancy period "triggered" by low temperatures. Would the tree go into a dormant state despite the temperatures at all or would "dormancy" be a reaction to the low temperatures rather than an action for the low temperatures?
Anyways, I would love to talk about all this more with you.


Paradox,
Thank you as well for providing your first hand experience with a boxwood and what you have found to be viable. My concern for this boxwood I have would be for the upcoming winter of this year. If I were to take this boxwood and place it in my unheated garage, would it be advised to also have a grow light for the tree or are there no light requirements for the tree what-so-ever during its dormancy period as what seems to be the consensus for junipers? Also what temperature lows should I be cautious of that could cause harm to the tree and what steps should be taken when these dangerously low temperatures are reached within my planned winter storage area? I do have a few nice junipers (yes they are outside) that I plan on bringing inside to my unheated garage around Thanksgiving or sometime soon after. I just don't know if I should treat this boxwood exactly the same way as one of these junipers should I decide on going that route with this boxwood.








Also I just want to say one thing to anybody reading, and I mean this in the nicest way possible because I'm just asking questions and looking to expand upon my understanding of this hobby and knowledge of these tree's capabilities. Please refrain from saying that somebody can't do something ever in life. I've heard people say all my life "you can't do this, he/she can't do that" as blanket statements and it is beyond ignorant to almost insulting if that were enough to discourage people from ever trying. If people gave up because "John Doe" said you can't do it, we would still think the world is flat.
I've had friends say I could never achieve a certain physique and strength level that they are at when I asked them what I needed to do as well to get to where they are. They said I didn't have the body type for it and could never get where they are. At the time I approached them I weighed 150 lbs. Last year I weighed in at 230 lbs with more muscle mass than they ever had and I broke the deadlift record at my gym. This year I'm also expecting my first born child with my wife that people said I could never date because I had no chance with her. My father, who failed out of college his last semester in his early 20s, became a police officer for 16 years. He hated the work and wanted to go back to college to become a doctor. People laughed at him and said he couldn't do that in a million years. Today people are coming up telling me how much they appreciate the medical care my father provides them, old school cops in the area all know his name. People told my brother he could never follow the foot-steps of my father. My brother just got his MCAT results back and he scored higher than my father did. My father 6 years ago came down with stage 4 colon cancer with a 5% chance of success. To date he is completely cancer free and has been labeled in the medical field as "an exception to the rule".

Keeping a tree healthy indoors under certain parameters and controlled conditions is impossible for somebody like me however, despite somebody else writing an article clearly stating it can be done and giving accounts on how they did it. Then again, who am I?
 
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keeping a tree alive indoors is one thing....Getting a tree to thrive and grow vigorously indoors is quite another (this is the effort Victrinia was referring to in her post). To grow/develop bonsai you absolutely need healthy and strongly growing plant material....otherwise you might as well just invest in a plastic plant to decorate your house.

You are about the 100th person to come to BonsaiNut in the last decade who thinks they can do this...perhaps there is 1 that is still around...Redwood Ryan...he only grows ficus, no boxwood, and I would bet he would advise you not to waste your time. His challenges are well chronicled here....do a little reading and see if you are willing to make the sacrifice...

Regardless of what you know about bonsai, think about the houseplants you have had or seen in your lifetime...were any of them thriving? Or were they just surviving? Have you ever seen a tree or shrub indoors that grows with the vigor of an outdoor tree or shrub?

I wouldn't spend a lot of money on trees until you prove to yourself that you can do more than just keep them alive indoors. Trees that aren't growing are boring and will fall from your attention in a very short time.
 
I too kept my boxwood,juniper amd mugo pine in my garage over the winter and all are doing fine and for that matter all my trees
were in my garage. the only one that I dont think is going to make it is my azalea,not sure what happen with it.
 
A few general things to understand...

1. All plants have a dormant period. They express themselves in different ways, but all plants have a period of rest, just because the leaves don't come off doesn't make it any less true. My jade plant could be watered once a month Jan, Feb, Mar. Then all of the sudden it is thirsty and thriving. Trying to keep a plant from going dormant can work...for awhile...then it will slowly come to it's demise.

2. Going in and out of dormancy is hard on a plant. When dormant, let it be dormant.

3. There are very few shade loving plants. Keeping a plant indoors is in essence keeping it in the shade. They will be okay for a while but health will deteriorate and overtime succumb. The difference between how my jade looks after 6 months in my office verses the six months it spends in the sun...astronomical.

4. Keeping trees indoors for a time is not a death sentence. We all should know that trees belong outside with all the suns rays, wind, rain, etc... the advice that some people give that sounds like your tree will die within three days of being brought inside...it's just wrong.

Being here in a cold climate, I keep non-hardy trees in a heated cold frame(36 degrees, no light).
Starting March 1st I start bringing a few trees inside. I need hope winter will eventually come to an end, they start throwing out albino shoots because they aren't getting any light. I can only keep them dormant for so long. Those trees go to south facing windows and the skylight in our room upstairs and they thrive...two months later they begin to go outside for the summer.

Be careful how you water a tree indoors. There is no wind to make them dry out as fast as they do outside. If any white fuzzy stuff starts growing on the soil...get a fan going and stop watering.

As to boxwoods...My trees go into winter storage around the first of November. They stay at a controlled 36 degrees until they see light in the spring. Just putting something in the garage is better than nothing, but depending on your climate, they still might get too cold or your garage might get too warm followed by too cold...I think consistent temperature is the priority when it comes to helping trees get through their winter dormant phase.

Want a healthy boxwood? During the summer it belongs outside. Your question here relates to a dormant phase in the winter. Mine get 5 months of time off being dormant in a cold room. If you have your heart set on a boxwood thriving year round...go for it. Tell us what happened. Just be careful to note that it might survive one or two seasons and have its health begin to fail. If you can keep it going year round for five years...let us know.
 
Sterling355,

If you've been here long enough, you will know I am similar to you...questioning almost everything and doing my own thing. I always ask myself...could it be better? It may work (or working)...but is it the best? Note that most of the the time, the best has been or being done already...and lots of my experiments are for nothing (but self satisfaction). :D

Regarding boxwood, I own several and will tell you that though I care for tropical trees indoors during winter, I won't dare try growing boxwood indoor. Nothing beats outdoors for plants (barring the extremes they cannot handle).

Does that mean it cannot be done? No. BUT as V said, I am not knowledgeable enough and not willing to go that length especially since they easily thrive outdoors. I abide by the "KISS" principle, and just enjoy my trees. :)

If you decide to give it a try still, I wish you all the luck!
 
Lots of good advice in this thread, but ultimately it is up to you whether you want to try keeping the boxwood indoors year round.

I think you are right about one thing - once you get everything figured out and find a set up that works, in some ways it might be easier to keep the plants indoors, since you don't have to worry about hot/cold waves, storms, marauding animals, etc. But getting to that point is the tough part. I often reference the Jack Wikle article when people say "you can't grow X indoors." However, from my experience trying to keep a small group of tropical plants healthy indoors during winter - it is not easy to get it all figured out. Did you see the photos in his articles? He has his plants in a big room with lots of windows and many, many high intensity light fixtures...expensive to run all that lighting.

As for wintering, everyone does things differently. I aim to keep most of my hardy trees at about 27-28 F during the winter and my boxwood has done well so far wintering like that. As for lighting, it is generally advised that plants that are completely frozen don't need light (or don't need much, anyway).

Personally, I think the best bet is to put the boxwood outdoors during the warmer months and let it have at least a month or two of cold during the winter. You can always bring it indoors for short periods to display or enjoy. But if you choose the indoor route, I hope you'll come back and let us know if it worked...and if so, how you managed it. Lots of people come on here with grand plans and then are never heard from again.

Good luck!

Chris
 
You are about the 100th person to come to BonsaiNut in the last decade who thinks they can do this...perhaps there is 1 that is still around...Redwood Ryan...he only grows ficus, ...

...and IMHO most of his trees were better/healthier when he got them than they are now. They are living but not thriving. Again JMHO.
 
Regarding boxwood, I own several......

Lol...understatement of the year

As for light in winter: no they dont need light. They are dormant and not growing.
I have about 6 boxwood that I've kept this way (outside summer; garage winter) for 3 years. Right now they are all outside vigourously putting on new growth so I guess they dont mind.
 
I have a couple of kingsville boxwoods. They all stay outdoors all year. Pretty sure the temps got into the low twentysF this year, and all of them are beautifully green and healthy. Keep the wind off them, let the weather water them, keep the sun away and let em sleep from Thanksgiving til St. Patrick's day. I repotted this one last month and the root system was amazing. I wont mess with success. I also like the break from maintenance for a while.
 

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