Bonsai on a Budget

I dig tree's myself, got me some 10liter catlitter clay (for 15 dollar) and put them in a training pot of 4 dollar. The most expensive is the plantfood, you can't cut anything from that price, maybe make it myself.

Exactly...if you can enjoy the hobby don't let things hold you back! I was going to suggest just this!
* collection/yamadori
*that I know one who uses kitty litter for substrate and they have some sweet trees
*a cheap pot or something constructed if your talented enough from lumberyard scraps

Fertilizer you can still go a cheaper brand than others I would imagine. I would hate to think ones budget would steal their joy. Choose trees that can be clip and grow...and not much wire expense as well.

It's an enjoyable hobby...if at the end of the day it brings you joy...it's enough.
 
How about all you broke bastards just shut up and give up on bonsai.

It's not like Tofukuji was dirt poor and neither is Juan Andrade....right?
And look at Ooishi's work, most of his bonsai is created from layers and cuttings.

To create bonsai requires dedication, time and imagination.
To buy bonsai requires money.
 
First off. Andrew I'm sorry for being a you know what.
This how I do it cheap.
When I got back into the hobby a few years ago as you can tell I didn't have extra resources for the good stuff.
Trees.
I collected most. I have a knack for digging up trees as getting them to recover.
I also bought 6 smaller procumbens to screw around with. $6.00 each.
Containers.
I didn't need any real pots so all I bought were colanders.
20 at $1.00 each.
Soil.
I researched this the most before I started. When I first started way back when there were no available inorganic soils I knew about. I didn't even know there was such a thing.
I collected materials from what was at hand. Gravel from the driveway,sand from the beach and a little potting soil.
After researching what was cheap I went with diatomaceous earth and a touch of turkey grit.2 bags of floor dry at $15.00 for 2 and the grit at $3.00
Stands.
Still don't have a need for one of those.
Tools.
A pair of bypass cutters. Already had a pair
Wire cutters. Same
Instruction.
Bonsai nut and similar places. More for entertainment than instruction. I had done this before so I already knew a lot of basics. I learned those through trial and error first go round.
I don't have anything against you at all. You play flute to trees for God's sake!
Once again sorry for being a throbbing member.
 
How about all you broke bastards just shut up and give up on bonsai.

It's not like Tofukuji was dirt poor and neither is Juan Andrade....right?
And look at Ooishi's work, most of his bonsai is created from layers and cuttings.

To create bonsai requires dedication, time and imagination.
To buy bonsai requires money.

Who the hell are those folks? Lol!
 
How about all you broke bastards just shut up and give up on bonsai.

It's not like Tofukuji was dirt poor and neither is Juan Andrade....right?
And look at Ooishi's work, most of his bonsai is created from layers and cuttings.

To create bonsai requires dedication, time and imagination.
To buy bonsai requires money.

Please read the post below.
 
Stacy, oh, I don't know, just some poor dudes who tried to do bonsai once ;).
Juan is our headliner next year at BSF as I'm sure you're well aware.

But for those who are reading and don't actually know:

Tofukuji is considered the best bonsai potter in modern history; didn't even own a kiln of his own.

Ooishi has created some of the finest deciduous bonsai and the majority of it, he has grown, not purchased.
Time, dedication and imagination.

Juan Andrade is currently an apprentice in Japan at Aichi-en. Grew up in the slums of Costa Rica.

So, no, money isn't necessary, but it does make things easier.
 
I think one can apply themselves and do a modest hobby within their means...use a little of that imagination Seth talked about. ;) If you can afford more...then great! As for money on classes and such. Colin Lewis has amazing lessons on Craftsy.com that for ones like myself that is two hours away from a club and such...can bring much clarity for FREE. It's a start...putting ones foot in the right direction on a journey that one enjoys.
 
I have 3 kids a wife, house , car ,all the bills that go with the family life. Some school loans and we believe very much in eating organic local food ( fu%> expensive for a family of 5) ....
The most I have spent on a plant for this hobby is $7... I felt guilty. .. something I could have gotten for my kids... I got a bag of rocks to grow in because you guys said it would be very important and help me out in the long run. All my "tool" thing colected over the year... didn't buy any.

Seeing you guys right all of this is making me feel much better about putting time in to this art even though I have no $ to put into it... Thank you!

An to the OP thanks for starting the thread . I don't know any thing about you. But I also buy my clothes at a thrift store... we should hang out some time.
 
Money saves time. You can always get to the same place by using more time and less money, or more money and less time. It's convenient that most older folks tend to have more money and less time, while you young folks have more time to invest.

Just have fun.
Cheers
Brian
 
I'm planning on living till I'm almost 200 I'm saving all my $.... iv got all the time I need.
 
Wow thanks for the tip! That's probably one of the top one iv gotten so far.... I love this forum so so much....
 
Cheers a tip. Get together with some buddies and buy your soil components in bulk.

From Wee Tree a 50 pallet bag of pumice is $337 and lava is $399. Each bag is about one cubic foot. Shipping to Houston the last time I ordered was $690. That's a total of $1426 for 100 bags of lava and pumice or $14.26/cubic foot all in. About the same price as Turface and cheaper than Oil-dri, or kitty litter.

Compared to buying it a quart bag at a time from eBay sellers or bonsai shops you can save some serious coin.

Scott
 
Stacy, oh, I don't know, just some poor dudes who tried to do bonsai once ;).
Juan is our headliner next year at BSF as I'm sure you're well aware.

But for those who are reading and don't actually know:

Tofukuji is considered the best bonsai potter in modern history; didn't even own a kiln of his own.

Ooishi has created some of the finest deciduous bonsai and the majority of it, he has grown, not purchased.
Time, dedication and imagination.

Juan Andrade is currently an apprentice in Japan at Aichi-en. Grew up in the slums of Costa Rica.

So, no, money isn't necessary, but it does make things easier.
So, now you are telling us that their are other poor people doing Bonsai...

As well as people in Costa Rica doing bonsai???

Next you will be telling us that there is some fool on a bonsai forum, telling folks to go out and get crappy material and practice.
 
So, now you are telling us that their are other poor people doing Bonsai...

As well as people in Costa Rica doing bonsai???

Next you will be telling us that there is some fool on a bonsai forum, telling folks to go out and get crappy material and practice.

Yes but...

I know you are being sarcastic but truly people can get into this hobby and get overwhelmed by the commercial aspects. YES you can spend $5k on a tree. You can also dig one out of someone's old hedge, and with enough skill, your tree and the $5k tree will be comparable. That's why the best advice is ALWAYS to start with cheap/free material and kill a lot of it :) By the time you get the skills necessary to create a $5k tree... it will no longer look like $5k to you. Instead you will see the time and care that went into the tree, and will better understand how/why someone is asking the paltry sum of $5k for 20 years worth of labor :)
 
Come now...Stacy, your $9 tree was stunning. Why not have the best of both? Good bones and cheap on the green backs? I must admit...I can't go past a table of azaleas and not dream of finding such an amazing find. Cheap isn't always a bad thing...if one is willing to look for it. Years from now...I will still have my nose under the foliage of an azalea at a box store...remembering this tree. Hoping to find something similar of my own. ;)

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Yes but...

I know you are being sarcastic but truly people can get into this hobby and get overwhelmed by the commercial aspects. YES you can spend $5k on a tree. You can also dig one out of someone's old hedge, and with enough skill, your tree and the $5k tree will be comparable. That's why the best advice is ALWAYS to start with cheap/free material and kill a lot of it :) By the time you get the skills necessary to create a $5k tree... it will no longer look like $5k to you. Instead you will see the time and care that went into the tree, and will better understand how/why someone is asking the paltry sum of $5k for 20 years worth of labor :)
Bingo!
It is Friday night after all... and you hit the jackpot!

This has been my point all along regarding bonsai... I don't have a problem with someone buying a $5 k tree... I think it would be safe to say that just about anyone doing bonsai if they had the money to burn would probably buy it, if it was a good piece of material.

The problem I see, is first most of us don't have it... which is evident by everyone chiming in saying they don't, and secondly how is one to determine what makes a good piece of material?

By, this I mean... that there are going to be a lot of factors in this determination besides just the price tag... this was the discussion I was having with Walter Pall and I have had on numerous threads since.

For some, who are newer to bonsai or collectors of bonsai, it might very well be just the price tag. For others, with some more skill they might say, ok here is a piece of material that I can with some work make into a very nice tree. And lastly for others they might pass on it completely, seeing that they would want to take the piece of material in a totally different direction, and would end up removing so much of the tree and starting over, that they would then want to start with something else, and save the money.

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer here... just more to with one's level of ability, personal preference, and if they can see something in the material that is worth the money and time to develop.

Now, with this in mind, this subject of spending as much money as you can on a piece of material is and has been brought into question that this is the only way one could hope to achieve a World Class tree.


This thread, my threads and Walter Pall's threads have all been going back n forth on the concept.

My own personal take is that first I don't believe everyone around the world doing World Class trees is super rich and is affording the price tag... secondly, as in the case of Walter's tree, which I believe is an awesome tree has issues, that he enjoys and does not recognize as issues, in fact quite the contrary, he believes are what makes the tree, where others might not feel the same way. So, they might not think it has the potential. And lastly, where would it leave the other 99 percent of the population doing bonsai, who are being told that because they can't afford it, they don't have a chance of ever having a World Class tree...

I guess according to this logic, out of luck... but I don't think this is the case, which is why I say you just need to work harder seeing one is at a disadvantage, practice and build up one's talent, and create the tree from what you can afford.
It is a doable reality.
 
Wanted to add one more thing, that has not been touched upon... that being the concept of buying a potential World Class tree. .. Seeing this is where we have been stuck.

And that is that when one plays this game, runs out and buys the material, does one still think they really have this World Class tree?

I mean, first off there will always be someone with more Dinero...and the guy selling you the tree is not selling his best material, he is keeping this for himself...
So, anyone doing this will never be on the same level, as Walter said " life is not fair... "

There will always be someone with a better tree.
Just a rat race...
 
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