Azalea blooming with freezing temperatures and sleet.

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Did I forget to mention the azalea is a 6" high cloning attempt still in the terrarium. Spritzed all the plants Sunday and noticed a colorful gob on a section of the azalea. "Oh, that's a blossom coming". Random attempt to clone an azalea bonsai from 5' tall yard plant. Curious to know when to expect good roots to transplant clone from 1" x 1" x 2"h to next size pot and the care to give it.
 
Wouldn't know...since there is no photo to accompany the thread post. Guess we'll take your word for it.

We don't do terrariums...we do bonsai.

Cloning...do you mean...a cutting? This thread I can't make heads or tails out of. Bonsai we take trees and make them smaller...some air layer...some do cuttings. Never heard of cloning.

Root work is typically done in spring...during the time when a tree is pushing growth well for such tasks as air layers and cuttings.
 
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Cadillactaste, this forum's title was intentional to attract attention. (My bad, trying to attract attention to get input on what I should do with my little azalea.) Maybe my not mentioning my "terrarium" is indoors and not outdoors in the cold is what caused the greatest confusion. As far as "take your word for it" when it comes to what I do (whether it be hunting, fishing, beekeeping or bonsai/penjing) I have no need to lie or grossly embellish the truth. I have had both great successes and failures, some quite humorous, some not so. You are welcome to believe me or not, (but you're right, I haven't posted a picture of my "blooming azalea when it's freezing outside". If I come up with a camera, maybe I will post when the blossom is more complete). To try to help in further understanding specific terms, I've googled words you specifically mention in your reply, followed by def, (term def, for example; bonsai def).

terrarium - "a sealed transparent globe or similar container in which plants are grown".
Mine is a well divided potting tray with a clear plastic cover. In my limited vocabulary terrarium is the most suited single term for it. I have no idea what a nursery or bonsai folks call this growing contraption.

bonsai - "an ornamental tree or shrub grown in a pot and artificially prevented from reaching its normal size". (also) "The art of growing ornamental, artificially dwarfed trees or shrubs".
My azalea is not a bonsai except in my mind. It is a plant in process like so many others, whether they be at timberline on some hillside and eventually uprooted, growing in a yard somewhere and uprooted, cut off of a plant (ie a branch cut off to clone another plant), an air layer, or ...
They only become bonsai once someone makes them so.

plant clone - (googled this way - not followed by def - to specifically address the cloning of plants) "...The simplest way to clone a plant involves taking a cutting. A branch from the parent plant is cut off, its lower leaves removed and the stem planted in damp compost. Plant hormones are often used to encourage new roots to develop."
The idea that someone with over 4000 messages on a bonsai forum website "never heard of cloning" is totally mind boggling to me.

Thank you for the input on root work. It gives me a good time frame for transplanting from the terrarium. (maybe I'll transplant but leave in it's indoor environment?) The 1"x1"x2" I mentioned in the original post is the basic size of each dirt section of the terrarium base. Wondering if my azalea will be too root bound before spring or can I wait and do the spring transplant?
 
That's telling them!;) Well spoken. No need to take insults from anyone on here. OR profanity!:mad:
 
It would be nice to have a pic!

And......we all know Cadi is not being insulting.......

She doesn't know Cloning is another "California Echo". A weed growing term!

That said....I understand how confusing this post would be!

Soooooo.......

How bout that pic!

Sorce
 
It would be nice to have a pic!

And......we all know Cadi is not being insulting.......

She doesn't know Cloning is another "California Echo". A weed growing term!

That said....I understand how confusing this post would be!

Soooooo.......

How bout that pic!

Sorce
Thanks Sorce...in all the years doing bonsai. Never heard that term used. "Weed growing term" that explains a lot! Lol wouldn't know anything about weed unless it's the dandelion in my yard.

That's telling them!;) Well spoken. No need to take insults from anyone on here. OR profanity!:mad:


Wow...if what I wrote was an insult...I can't imagine how you feel on other members here. I was confused...and stated as much. I gave the OP information on roots...that I felt could be helpful. I gave him terms we use in bonsai. Yeah...I was real harsh. Sorry about that.
 
Hi Jona - well, sorry you got off to an awkward start, but that was due to misleading information on your part. Your profile says Washington, many there grow their azalea bonsai outdoors all year round in the more coastal parts of Washington. So between the title and your first post, I certainly assumed the plant was outside. So I can see how the confusion began.

Many azaleas, especially Satsuki and other hybrids with the more sub-tropical species will set buds for the next years blooming, and are capable of blooming as if it were spring, with very few hours of chill. Satsuki azaleas bloom nicely even in Hawaii, where the 'winter chill' is only a 10 degree F drop for a few months from 70's & 80's everyday to 60's and 70's everyday. In the more temperate north, they go more completely dormant when outside for the winter. The parent plant that you took your cutting probably already formed its buds for next year, and bringing the cutting in the house signaled the cutting that it was spring. Not a problem, but you should keep it indoors for the winter. Next summer you can treat it more like an outdoor species, and leave it out all winter just as its 'parent' bush is outside all winter. If it is in a plastic pot, outside in winter is easy, several methods work, including just burying the plastic pot to the rim in a shady spot in the garden for the winter. If it is in a nice bonsai pot, winter it in a sheltered spot where temperatures stay between 32 F and 40 F (0 C to 4 C), so the pot won't be fractured by freeze thaw cycling, roots also need to be protected from freeze thaw cycling.

If it looks like the azalea cutting has a good set of roots, I would start leaving the terrarium open, to harden off the growth some. Step into it, initially just for a few hours, then withing a week or so you should be able to leave the top off completely, if the leaves will, return the cover to the terrarium. With the small soil volume of the pot, as it starts growing you will find out it can dry out quickly. Azaleas are a "I dry, I die" plant. You might want to repot to a larger pot soon. Being root bound is not a problem for azaleas, moving them to a larger pot is only necessary if you have trouble watering on the plant's schedule. Bigger pot, less frequent the need to water.

Give them as much light as possible indoors. They do not need as much as marijuana, but at least half what you would give reefer. Too dim, and growth will be elongated and weak.

Flowers are fun, and the whole reason to grow azalea. But they do put a high metabolic demand on young or weak plants. I would consider cutting the flower bud off to get the plant to shift to growing leaves and roots and more branches. But since it has already expended the energy getting the bud to its current stage, you could let it bloom, then after you enjoyed it a day or two, then cut it off. Don't let the bloom hang on for weeks. You want your cutting to work on growing.

About terminology - terrarium is good, I knew what you meant.
Cloning - for those in states where recreational pot is not legal, the word cloning is more generic than the word cutting. Cloning (propagation by creating clones) includes stem cuttings, leaf cuttings, rhizome division, grafting, meristematic tissue propagation, and other propagation techniques. Most of us when we hear the word cloning think of meristematic tissue culture propagation as this is the way the nursery trade, potted house plant trade, and orchid plant trade use the term. Cloning is so much shorter than spelling out "meristematic tissue culture", so the trades really use cloning to mean specifically that technique. Cutting is the term most commonly used for what you did with the azalea. Only in the marijuana trade is the word cloning used to mean "cuttings". Though most of us do eventually figure it out. Not a big deal, but since this forum includes people from all over the world, some are not native speakers of American English, assume most are not "hip" to the lingo, be tolerant if people don't understand your use of the terminology. And of course, bonsai as a hobby has its own "inside" lingo, that will take time to pick up. Words like nebari, shari, jin, uro, and whatever that damn word is for the first significant branch, all left me confused for a few years. And don't even get into the vocabulary for traditional bonsai displays. So we all try to be tolerant of lapses in terminology.

Welcome aboard, or as Source says, welcome to crazy. If you need more azalea tips, use the search function, we have a number of azalea freaks on this forum, you will find much good info the the Flowering Bonsai sub forum. Azaleas make great bonsai, and have a centuries old tradition all their own.
 
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Welcome aboard, or as Source says, welcome to crazy.

"Oh, that's a blossom coming".

Great examples Leo.

I must mention that I used to grow what are referred to as "hothouse" Azalea varieties. If you notice even in the coldest climates you often see pots FULL of blooms in stores and it is because of the fact as Leo stated they react to minor changes quickly(growers know that and use it). If you can control the environment very well for health you can control how often they bloom by changing it. It is kind of fun once understood and practiced. I was getting up to 4 full blooms a season once it was explained to me.

Grimmy
 
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Anyway, as far as the photos, I'm trying to attach here from my computer, so maybe it'll work and maybe not.
So, found "upload a file"...
 
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Ooooooops!!!! Sorry about that. I hit post rather than upload when only halfway through picture loading, then edit, and apparently it just got worse from there trying to determine whether to thumbnail or full (tried to limit to thumbs). I'm not gonna attemp to make it any worse. You folks on the other end feel free to delete all but two pictures. One shows the plant with some dead lower leaves and the other shows the plant with those dead leaves removed. Hopefully those dead leaves are a "warning" (not a death nell) that I've let it get too dry, (but will come back???).
 
Curious to know when to expect good roots to transplant clone from 1" x 1" x 2"h to next size pot and the care to give it.

The Azalea cuttings in that setup are FAR to wet right now, they like damp - not wet. They will rot and die if left in there. If those were mine I would slip them into lets say 3 inch pots and give them air and light - remember not wet. They are showing a bit of stress as they are just to wet...

Grimmy
 
Grimmy, took your advice and replanted "Azy". I don't normally give a nickname to something or someone either but since I have only one and will probably stick to just one it seemed fitting. Anyway, she? had a nice little 3/4" - 1" cluster of roots and is now out where she can breathe. The blossoms (the "single" turned out to be two, is that normal?) opened to the extent I'm calling them done, so I took a photo, then took them away from her.
 
I'm back (to finish my last post) Had to unstick my keyboard. Leo in N E Illinois, recalled in my mind you had suggested [removing] the blossoms to send plant energy elsewhere. Just double checked and you had said "cut". Well I pulled and removed just the flower petals and "Azy" held on to whatever the green "vase" is called that attaches this/these blossoms to the stem. So, I got a hold on them and removed them both, wondering whether I should have. I know, it's after the fact, but tug vs cut. Is there some part of the plant bloom that should be left, hence cutting? Here's before and after photo's.DSCN2480.JPG DSCN2484.JPG
 
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