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Any interest in Aristic Design ???
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Chumono
I'd be into it. I'm in the category of having the horticultural part down, having a basic understanding of techniques (pruning, wiring, etc) but somewhat lacking in the artistic aspects that you've mentioned above.
Anthony
Imperial Masterpiece
Yes!
Good Day,
Anthony
Good Day,
Anthony
Bonsai Nut
Nuttier than your average Nut
I will have to go dig into the archives and post a link of some of the stuff one of our members did years ago...
Sadly, there was some controversy because he started the project on this site, and then after there was a lot of interest and interaction, he decided halfway through to take it offline to try to make a blog/site out of it. I am not aware that it ever got published elsewhere in any form.
I'll have to look around. It was years ago.
Sadly, there was some controversy because he started the project on this site, and then after there was a lot of interest and interaction, he decided halfway through to take it offline to try to make a blog/site out of it. I am not aware that it ever got published elsewhere in any form.
I'll have to look around. It was years ago.
dick benbow
Omono
I was an art major who was drawn to this hobby because like, koi, ikebana and suiseki it was
something I was drawn to because of It's appeal.
Studying display has given me a new enthusiasm as to my pot and scroll purchases, and what would work with something else rather than just because I like it. I like the combination of elements to tell the story.
I think there is a place in the hobby for being sensitive to the art form as well as the horticultural needs. No matter which way your drawn, the challenge to learn is fun and all part of enjoying Living art.
great suggestion
something I was drawn to because of It's appeal.
Studying display has given me a new enthusiasm as to my pot and scroll purchases, and what would work with something else rather than just because I like it. I like the combination of elements to tell the story.
I think there is a place in the hobby for being sensitive to the art form as well as the horticultural needs. No matter which way your drawn, the challenge to learn is fun and all part of enjoying Living art.
great suggestion
Bonsai Nut
Nuttier than your average Nut
I think it started with this thread.
But someone picked up the ball and ran with it. Not in terms of "bonsai" design, but in terms of what makes "good" design versus "bad" design. There was a lot of discussion around symmetry, balance, divine proportion, etc.
I may actually have deleted it. I usually NEVER delete content from the site, but I think the thread author specifically asked me to delete it, within the context that he was going to use it to start his own site. He had done a lot of work and there were a lot of illustrations and graphics that he had done.
But someone picked up the ball and ran with it. Not in terms of "bonsai" design, but in terms of what makes "good" design versus "bad" design. There was a lot of discussion around symmetry, balance, divine proportion, etc.
I may actually have deleted it. I usually NEVER delete content from the site, but I think the thread author specifically asked me to delete it, within the context that he was going to use it to start his own site. He had done a lot of work and there were a lot of illustrations and graphics that he had done.
0soyoung
Imperial Masterpiece
This is the sort of thing I thought I would find on a bonsai forum.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Got me thanking a 2008 post in that thread.
I'm all in!
Oso stole my thoughts.
Saw,
I didn't see this going there at first, but you are absolutely correct.
These things must be discussed more in depth. I appreciate your requests for such info in the box store Juniper threads.
It is good to bring it to the forefront in this post.
Sorce
I'm all in!
Oso stole my thoughts.
Saw,
I didn't see this going there at first, but you are absolutely correct.
These things must be discussed more in depth. I appreciate your requests for such info in the box store Juniper threads.
It is good to bring it to the forefront in this post.
Sorce
Anthony
Imperial Masterpiece
This point by Mr.Heath is important -
"There is only one rule for bonsai, it must be visually appealing, artistically successfully, if you will."
The painters that follow the Old Master / Renaissance / Baroque philosophies use the term - it should be able to be ----------- contemplated.
So a tree as an Art Form, would hold the eye, and start up memories for the majority of viewers.
Thus trees grown down here tend to be designed as paintings, with some 3d sculpture added in.Unfortunately, this cannot be shown with a photograph, as the one eye flattens all.
Which is why I think AUSbonsai has a section for tree rotation, to get a sense of 3d.
The content of Oil Paintings, tend to have words like Pattern, Shape, Colour, Outline, Mass, Lighting, Tone and so on.
This is done to the tree, as it reaches it's optimum point.
The idea is simple, anything seen in nature, is sensed visually from a distance and as you walk closer, more information appears.
The idea of Beauty is that it should first appeal to the eye, before it enters the mind for contemplation.
So the first look registers the outline of the tree and it's colour [ health ], the interaction of light and shadow [ usually 45 deg angle of light ] in the leaf masses, if the tree is using leaves.
Or the negative shapes of a deciduous tree, and all those twigs.
And so on...............
Designs can also be,
[1] Meant to be seen all in the round, rotating the tree.
[2] From one point, as a Chinese ink painting, and the tree can retain a calligraphic effect.
[3] Pot works as a frame does for a painting - felt, but not speaking.
[4] Pot can interact, as say, water and land in Penjing. Is this not where they speak of defective trees with additional ornaments to become harmonious or complete
In painting the word,Beauty, comes in a great deal, it can be peaceful, warlike, violent and so on, and you can design your trees to do the same.
Note.
The human eye/mind tends to tire of dramatic effects very rapidly, as it does of bright colour in too large amounts, but accepts bright colour easily on tiny pots.
Is this enough to start anything on Design, other than branch placements, root distribution and so on?
Good Day
Anthony
"There is only one rule for bonsai, it must be visually appealing, artistically successfully, if you will."
The painters that follow the Old Master / Renaissance / Baroque philosophies use the term - it should be able to be ----------- contemplated.
So a tree as an Art Form, would hold the eye, and start up memories for the majority of viewers.
Thus trees grown down here tend to be designed as paintings, with some 3d sculpture added in.Unfortunately, this cannot be shown with a photograph, as the one eye flattens all.
Which is why I think AUSbonsai has a section for tree rotation, to get a sense of 3d.
The content of Oil Paintings, tend to have words like Pattern, Shape, Colour, Outline, Mass, Lighting, Tone and so on.
This is done to the tree, as it reaches it's optimum point.
The idea is simple, anything seen in nature, is sensed visually from a distance and as you walk closer, more information appears.
The idea of Beauty is that it should first appeal to the eye, before it enters the mind for contemplation.
So the first look registers the outline of the tree and it's colour [ health ], the interaction of light and shadow [ usually 45 deg angle of light ] in the leaf masses, if the tree is using leaves.
Or the negative shapes of a deciduous tree, and all those twigs.
And so on...............
Designs can also be,
[1] Meant to be seen all in the round, rotating the tree.
[2] From one point, as a Chinese ink painting, and the tree can retain a calligraphic effect.
[3] Pot works as a frame does for a painting - felt, but not speaking.
[4] Pot can interact, as say, water and land in Penjing. Is this not where they speak of defective trees with additional ornaments to become harmonious or complete
In painting the word,Beauty, comes in a great deal, it can be peaceful, warlike, violent and so on, and you can design your trees to do the same.
Note.
The human eye/mind tends to tire of dramatic effects very rapidly, as it does of bright colour in too large amounts, but accepts bright colour easily on tiny pots.
Is this enough to start anything on Design, other than branch placements, root distribution and so on?
Good Day
Anthony
Bonsai Nut
Nuttier than your average Nut
(1) In response to Sawgrass' original post, yes there is a LOT of interest in discussing this.
(2) Where is johng? He'll remember the discussion we had years ago on this, and may bring some insight to bear.
I would like to have a decent discussion on this, and with everyone's agreement, try to compile something and at least sticky it, if not create a lasting resource file to host on the site.
(2) Where is johng? He'll remember the discussion we had years ago on this, and may bring some insight to bear.
I would like to have a decent discussion on this, and with everyone's agreement, try to compile something and at least sticky it, if not create a lasting resource file to host on the site.
Bonsai Nut
Nuttier than your average Nut
Good idea. Let me move my two posts above into a different thread. We can always compile later into "chapters" or whatever.
Bonsai Nut
Nuttier than your average Nut
That's what happened last time - and why when we had one person "leading" the discussion, we made more progress.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
Then came the crucifixions.
Two threads that I'd like to see, are:
Design - Story Telling through design
Design - Story Telling through display
I don't have the time to start either of these right now. But I think they line up with where Sawgrass was leading.
Design - Story Telling through design
Design - Story Telling through display
I don't have the time to start either of these right now. But I think they line up with where Sawgrass was leading.
bonsaiBlake
Chumono
awesome thread. Thanks for starting it.
I too fall into the category of slightly more hort knowledge. I have always wanted to learn more of the design aspect of bonsai.
One of my biggest questions is why the formal upright is the least prevalent in bonsai yet the most common in the forests. I know that a twisted knarly looking pine with amazing movement and structure is interesting and beautiful. But what about the silent, creeping breeze that blows through the canopy of perfectly straight giants reaching into the sky, a sensation which can only be created in the mind when viewing a formal upright tree or planting. To me that is the essence of bonsai, taking a piece of living material and creating something that impresses a natural/wild image or feeling into the viewer.
Another of my design questions I posted when I just got started. . .
http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?15032-Golden-Ratio&highlight=golden+ratio
I too fall into the category of slightly more hort knowledge. I have always wanted to learn more of the design aspect of bonsai.
One of my biggest questions is why the formal upright is the least prevalent in bonsai yet the most common in the forests. I know that a twisted knarly looking pine with amazing movement and structure is interesting and beautiful. But what about the silent, creeping breeze that blows through the canopy of perfectly straight giants reaching into the sky, a sensation which can only be created in the mind when viewing a formal upright tree or planting. To me that is the essence of bonsai, taking a piece of living material and creating something that impresses a natural/wild image or feeling into the viewer.
Another of my design questions I posted when I just got started. . .
http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?15032-Golden-Ratio&highlight=golden+ratio
Anthony
Imperial Masterpiece
BonsaiBlake,
simplicity, is one of the most difficult situations to get right. An upright that is exceptional, would be balanced, graceful, harmonious..................
Everything would have to be right where it is supposed to be.
With a forest, each tree would compensate for another, and another, and another ...........
A single silent Monarch residing in an oft lone field, is what you have to look for.
With regards to your other topic, I am afraid, I stand with the myth bit on geometric design in nature, a good deal of it is accidental.
So why not do a Formal upright and get the experience?
Good Day
Anthony
simplicity, is one of the most difficult situations to get right. An upright that is exceptional, would be balanced, graceful, harmonious..................
Everything would have to be right where it is supposed to be.
With a forest, each tree would compensate for another, and another, and another ...........
A single silent Monarch residing in an oft lone field, is what you have to look for.
With regards to your other topic, I am afraid, I stand with the myth bit on geometric design in nature, a good deal of it is accidental.
So why not do a Formal upright and get the experience?
Good Day
Anthony
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I found this book interesting and helpful: http://andyrutledge.com/book/index.html
Robert Steven's books have been great too.
Robert Steven's books have been great too.
bonsaiBlake
Chumono
I do plan on it. I have 2 main goal in my life regarding bonsai. Master the formal upright and develop the bonsai techniques for the vine maple as much as I can.
Unfortunately all of that will be going on hold for awhile starting in January. I was recently let go, and will be moving to Williston,ND for the next 3yrs min. The only part that makes it ok, besides the money, is all of my trees are young enough and I have a place I can ground them back home in Vancouver,wa.
Till then I continue to learn as much as I can about the art.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
Don't discount the area you are moving to. This could be an opportunity to do some collecting in some environments conducive to producing quality Yamadori.
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