8th U.S. National Bonsai Exhibition, Rochester, NY, USA, September 9-10, 2023

Seeing somebody asking a year ago how to prune for refinement, then a year later making nonstop purchases on some of the highest end yamadori that have been styled by top practitioners in the states is certainly makes my eyebrow raise quite a bit. Did Japan not have an era where they depleted vast swathes of aged, high quality yamadori and stones? I can't help but feel like we are creating a sad future for American bonsai when the art form is taking such a consumption based direction. Finding people who are passionate as artists and want to craft bonsai for the future seems to be far more rare than I would've expected. They'd much rather have the instant gratification of putting a few months to a year of work into a tree that already has an identity, claim it as their own and simply maintain it from there.
I understand your fears, but there needs to be support for those passionate artists. They can't just give away their work and continue to make a living. There is room for everyone in bonsai; artists, enthusiasts, dabblers, growers, collectors(as in building bonsai collections from purchased bonsai), etc.
A healthy balance of everyone is what we need for a healthy bonsai community.
It's really the trees that win awards. The artists and owners should be honored too of course, but the criteria comes down to quality trees and quality display. At least that's how I see it.
 
If someone wants to buy expensive trees, 1 year in, or 20, good on them, they can spend their money the way they see fit. At the end of the day it only supports bonsai artists. But I will say. I’m one who wants to style and or collect my trees myself. But I’d be lying if I told I didn’t feel like I wanted to not only get trees in big shows but also win something. Why? Because I believe can. I’m a believer in underdogs and underdogs stories. So as long as I do this I’m pushing to be as good as I can be. It may take me longer than others. But you know what they say about destinations and journeys!
 
Maybe instead of doing a national show once every two years in rochester, there needs to be a national event once a year in different places. The trees will be different and varied, more people can reasonably attend...
This sounds a lot like the ABS show to me... lol
 
It's not just vendors selling to vendors before the show opens. At least in my experience, when I've worked on the set-up crew, exhibitors would drop off their trees and head straight to the vendor area on Thursday and especially Friday. Maybe Bill clamped down on this recently, don't know as I wasn't there until Saturday afternoon.
If you help volunteer for the setup crew, you should be rewarded with the opportunity to buy something before it opens to the public, however there should be limits set
 
@Ruddigger and @Pitoon I agree whole heartedly, however, personally having trees that I've done everything with and trees that I've purchased and/or enlisted the help of professionals with, I can say that joy for me comes with time and growth with these trees, from whatever stage that begins. I find joy in continuing the work that others have set in place, as well as building from scratch.

I find that forums like this one are generally more populated by the DIY bonsai crowd. Which is wonderful; the more the merrier! That doesn't have to mean that any other approach is less valuable though. Just different. Bonsai is a long game. I think we all hope that our trees will outlive us and one day move on to new hands who will appreciate and continue the work. Right?
 
Now taking care of a tree for years and then entering it into a show and winning is how it should be.....at least for me.
This describes Dennis Vojtilla’s trees in a nutshell. He grew and styled his trees over 30+ years and won best deciduous last year and a number of other years. He had a tree lined up for this Nationals but then the whole west coast gave up on showing tres when the Mirai covered wagon wasn’t going to happen before Nationals. :/
 
As far as the owners/stylists/collectors and whatever other hand you can have in getting a tree to a prestigious show… well, it seems to me that it’s very similar to dog shows and horse races where the owners are not necessarily the the trainers/jockeys/groomers/breeders etc. of the animal in question. There are sometimes many hands that get high level animals to high level competitions as there may be just as many hands to get a high level tree to a high level exhibition. I don’t feel it diminishes the tree or animal in any way, it just is what it is. There is the factor that some animals have breeding and some trees have provenance, then the hands involved may be separated by generations. That said I absolutely hold those who collect or propagate a tree and then raise it to champion level in high regard.
 
As far as the owners/stylists/collectors and whatever other hand you can have in getting a tree to a prestigious show… well, it seems to me that it’s very similar to dog shows and horse races where the owners are not necessarily the the trainers/jockeys/groomers/breeders etc. of the animal in question. There are sometimes many hands that get high level animals to high level competitions as there may be just as many hands to get a high level tree to a high level exhibition. I don’t feel it diminishes the tree or animal in any way, it just is what it is. There is the factor that some animals have breeding and some trees have provenance, then the hands involved may be separated by generations. That said I absolutely hold those who collect or propagate a tree and then raise it to champion level in high regard.
Well said. :)
 
@Ruddigger and @Pitoon I agree whole heartedly, however, personally having trees that I've done everything with and trees that I've purchased and/or enlisted the help of professionals with, I can say that joy for me comes with time and growth with these trees, from whatever stage that begins. I find joy in continuing the work that others have set in place, as well as building from scratch.

I find that forums like this one are generally more populated by the DIY bonsai crowd. Which is wonderful; the more the merrier! That doesn't have to mean that any other approach is less valuable though. Just different. Bonsai is a long game. I think we all hope that our trees will outlive us and one day move on to new hands who will appreciate and continue the work. Right?


Absolutely. This should be an enjoyable endeavor for everyone. My enjoyment comes from creating something myself, someone else's may be from simple possession, or something in between.

My main point was to say that Japan has more of a patron model. Someone buys a tree, gives it to Kimura to care for and put in the Kokufu. So people paying Bjorn or Mauro to work their trees for the show isnt unusual. Its just becoming more common here with the rise of western professionals.
 
Will I buy a tree for 4000$ one day??? Maybe. But I sure as hell better be able to take care of my small armada of crap sticks in pots first. So those buying up expensive ass trees and showing them after a year and moving them on... idk... it doesnt gel well with me. I know with a lot collectors, the buying and selling is part of the fun, but coming predominantly from a highly artistic and creative subculture that values longevity in one's endeavors and a zero-tolerance attitude towards poseurs and the here-today-gone-tomorrow mentality which one finds in other fad collector rings, I have a gut feeling that Bonsai will lose something intrinsic and virtuous by comidification.

I think there are a lot of people here who arent in it for rhat reason, and it gives me satisfaction. Its ok to make money from a hobby or passion but not at the expense of the passion or love of the hobby. I see Bjorn moving to Japan after he built this beautiful bonsai garden and I cant help but feel disenfranchised. I thought having your dream garden here in the US was the ultimate goal? I think Dan Robinson and Nick Lenz are the two who best encapsulate the Bonsai spirit which I enjoy right now. Both arent/werent afraid to buck rules, have some fun, but keep an eye towards artistry and the horticulture.

Thats what I look for when I engage with art, whether its at a sold out stadium concert like Black Sabbath at Madison Square Garden, seeing Velnias or Necrot in a basement under a restaurant in Montclair with 10 people in the audience, or going to a Bonsai show or garden. The integrity of the artist and their adherence to similar virtues in their approach to art is a prerequisite for me to appreciate their art.
 
@Ruddigger and @Pitoon I agree whole heartedly, however, personally having trees that I've done everything with and trees that I've purchased and/or enlisted the help of professionals with, I can say that joy for me comes with time and growth with these trees, from whatever stage that begins. I find joy in continuing the work that others have set in place, as well as building from scratch.

I find that forums like this one are generally more populated by the DIY bonsai crowd. Which is wonderful; the more the merrier! That doesn't have to mean that any other approach is less valuable though. Just different. Bonsai is a long game. I think we all hope that our trees will outlive us and one day move on to new hands who will appreciate and continue the work. Right?
Agree wholeheartedly. The DIY mindset held American bonsai down a bit a while back.

I also find the ideas being floated for shows rather amusing. All those ideas are not new. Bill V. was the only one to pick up the ball and actually run with it successfully because he did it himself. Committees are nice, but they're still committees...
 
As far as the owners/stylists/collectors and whatever other hand you can have in getting a tree to a prestigious show… well, it seems to me that it’s very similar to dog shows and horse races where the owners are not necessarily the the trainers/jockeys/groomers/breeders etc. of the animal in question. There are sometimes many hands that get high level animals to high level competitions as there may be just as many hands to get a high level tree to a high level exhibition. I don’t feel it diminishes the tree or animal in any way, it just is what it is. There is the factor that some animals have breeding and some trees have provenance, then the hands involved may be separated by generations. That said I absolutely hold those who collect or propagate a tree and then raise it to champion level in high regard.
I grew up going to dog shows. My mom showed dogs as a hobby for decades. She was pretty successful at it, showing dogs on circuits up and down the East Coast. There is an entire ecosystem surrounding dog shows, including "handlers" that show, groom and transport dogs among shows for owners, show organizers, vendors, etc. Bonsai kind of mirrors that environment.

The dog show circuit in the U.S. has a couple of high visibility/prestigious events (Westminster, National Dog Show, AKC National Championship) that are top draws for those looking to get notoriety for their dog/kennel. Wins at those events can be fuel kennel/breeder reputations but getting there is expensive. FWIW, very few people, if any, make an actual living breeding dogs for shows. They do it because they love the breeds. The handlers make a living at it, but it's a hard life. Those shows, however, are not where most of the competition is. Regional shows, specialty shows (in which only one breed is exhibited) are the workhorse events.

The top dogs in each breed that earned the most points in shows that year and the best of breed winners for each breed's specialty show are invited to Westminster.

That system may hold some examples (Who knows) for how bonsai shows might go. People travel from across the country by the thousands to attend the big shows like Westminster and the National, as they typically draw the big names and top breeders. The more frequent regional events are the mainstay.
 
This is what really gets me. Someone buys a tree that was taken care of by someone else, enters it into a show and wins? Same thing happened last year at the Winter Silhouette.
Well... in Japan some bonsai owners don't even house their own trees. They buy them, pay for styling and upkeep, and come visit them from time to time at the nursery :)

Reminds me of when I was keeping show koi. In Southern California every year they had a one year contest where they would import thousands of $100 "potential" koi from Japan. You would pick out your fish, they would photograph and record them,. and then you would bring them back in a year and show them. I spent a lot of time and effort keeping my water clean, keeping water oxygen high, giving my fish sun, feeding special food, etc. Year after year I would win at least one award... and one year I won two. My fish were never the biggest... but they were the best quality, with top confirmation (body shape), ink black sumi, blood red hi, good patterning, etc. The last year I competed, the koi nursery greatly expanded the size of their ponds, and they started offering a new program. Instead of taking your fish home, for a fee they would keep them at the nursery in a big pond, where they would be professionally cared for with automatic feeders, etc. Then after a year they would net out your koi and enter them in the show. At that point, I stopped competing. What's the point?

Yes, we made an exception for some vendors to purchase an item or two before we opened Saturday, because once we are all vending they can’t escape their tables.. ...our reason for no presales friday was to be fair to attendees. Nao sold all his forest trays at PBE before they opened and he felt bad about it, and that was weighed into this situation.
Two general comments on exhibition sales:
First, I think it is a little sad that bonsai shows have turned into a rush to see "who can buy the best 'X' in the first 30 minutes". There is a palpable fear of 'missing out' and it detracts from the experience, in my opinion. Some people only volunteer to work the show because it allows them to preview (and perhaps prebuy) merchandise. I don't know a solution. I have been to shows on the second day where the vendor area is half empty and people are packing to leave by 10AM Sunday morning. Certainly it makes for happy vendors when they sell out all their product... but as a show organizer I would try to ask vendors to hold back some stock for Sunday.

Second, I think what people object to with resellers or 'arbitrage' is that with bonsai we aren't dealing with a commodity. We are dealing with unique products that have limited supply. It is one thing if a retailer purchases goods wholesale and then marks them up. People understand - the retailer is putting time and money into shipping, warehousing, care, marketing, staffing - perhaps even retail rent. But when people buy up ALL THE POTS from a vendor at a show, and then proceed to immediately resell them at their own booth for a significant markup, they have invested nothing. They are simply trying to corner the market by creating an artificial shortage of supply in a very specific event... and make money off the attendees who have traveled far and spent much, just to be able to access a marketplace of those goods. It is taking advantage of the bonsai community to make a fast buck.
 
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With all of these comments, feedback, and ideas, in this thread. I hope to see many more great trees, shows, and displays in the very near future at local, regional, and national shows.

Mr. Bill V is an Icon, legend, risk taker and big dreamer who has my deepest respect for his long and bountiful contributions to Bonsai.

The many unsung contributors to the nationals all deserve appreciation.
 

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