2025 Contest

If we are talking about dioecious trees, and cuttings or layers, the sex of the plants will be easy to determine, wouldn't it? I understood that the new plant will be genetically identical to the parent, so wouldn't the sex also be the same?
 
Keep in mind that many fruit trees might take 15+ years to reach maturity and carry fruits and flowers. Starting them from seed is not for the faint of heart.

Is there going to be a contest for 2025?
You can of course propose a contest yourself and try to develop rules for it. Check the contests section on how most of the others came to be. Just one person with a silly suggestyion and 3, 4 5 people pitching in.
 
In the end, all trees bare some sort of "fruit" nut or cone, so to define rules, perhaps you would say that it must meet criteria like:
Fruit must be a focal point to displaying the tree
Directly edible for humans
Etc

Pines for example, many have seeds that are edible. But by no means are pine cone seeds a feature of displaying pine bonsai, so they would be disqualified. Juniper are edible, arguably the fruit are not really a feature, but the berries have to be processed to become Jin or tea, so that would disqualify it.
I'll argue here, largely from my culinary experience.
Juniper berries are frequently used as a sort of spice. I routinely use them in marinades, and I often add a couple to my pumpkin pies. So I would say a juniper is arguably viable in a fruiting tree contest, but may violate the spirit of the rules if not the letter.
Also, it's not unheard of to display pines or similar with cones when they happen. It's only rare because the things we do to trees in bonsai often interrupt fruit/seed production in various way. That might be stress on the tree, pruning away the tips of new growth where cones would normally develop, controlling nutrients to favor foliage over fruit, etc. Again, though, this might be seen to violate the spirit if not the letter of the contest.

Otherwise, I really like the idea of a fruit contest, but other issues with that have already been brought up. Another one is that different trees produce fruit at different times of year. If we do accept pines, many species produce comes one year, but they don't ripen until the next. So, generally, is the fruit required to be ripe at the time of judging, and how long do we accept final entries for judging.?
We might be able to limit it to trees with no sort of training every, but otherwise anything goes. This is essentially how the native tree challenge went. In that case we'd have lots of leeway for getting started on something that runs 5 years, but that would still make it a rather narrow timeframe for getting both display worthy entries AND fruiting.
We could also just make it as simple as a fruit management challenge: can you get any tree in a pot at all to bare fruit at the time of judging.
A variation is we could just go with an edible bonsai challenge, and allow things like thyme and rosemary, or whatnot. This, however, puts fruit on a whole other difficulty level, so judging will be difficult.

But then we could also just call it a bonchi contest, and all grow chilli peppers for 3 years. Capsicum annum often only lives 2 to 3 years, so styling, fruiting and longevity call all be part of it.
 
If we are talking about dioecious trees, and cuttings or layers, the sex of the plants will be easy to determine, wouldn't it? I understood that the new plant will be genetically identical to the parent, so wouldn't the sex also be the same?
Where humans seem to have diversified, I think plants still follow sexe-by-genetics...
 
I'll argue here, largely from my culinary experience.
Juniper berries are frequently used as a sort of spice. I routinely use them in marinades, and I often add a couple to my pumpkin pies. So I would say a juniper is arguably viable in a fruiting tree contest, but may violate the spirit of the rules if not the letter.
Also, it's not unheard of to display pines or similar with cones when they happen. It's only rare because the things we do to trees in bonsai often interrupt fruit/seed production in various way. That might be stress on the tree, pruning away the tips of new growth where cones would normally develop, controlling nutrients to favor foliage over fruit, etc. Again, though, this might be seen to violate the spirit if not the letter of the contest.

Otherwise, I really like the idea of a fruit contest, but other issues with that have already been brought up. Another one is that different trees produce fruit at different times of year. If we do accept pines, many species produce comes one year, but they don't ripen until the next. So, generally, is the fruit required to be ripe at the time of judging, and how long do we accept final entries for judging.?
We might be able to limit it to trees with no sort of training every, but otherwise anything goes. This is essentially how the native tree challenge went. In that case we'd have lots of leeway for getting started on something that runs 5 years, but that would still make it a rather narrow timeframe for getting both display worthy entries AND fruiting.
We could also just make it as simple as a fruit management challenge: can you get any tree in a pot at all to bare fruit at the time of judging.
A variation is we could just go with an edible bonsai challenge, and allow things like thyme and rosemary, or whatnot. This, however, puts fruit on a whole other difficulty level, so judging will be difficult.

But then we could also just call it a bonchi contest, and all grow chilli peppers for 3 years. Capsicum annum often only lives 2 to 3 years, so styling, fruiting and longevity call all be part of it.
That is all my point was. You *can* eat a juniper berry straight off the tree, but nobody really does that. You can technically eat acorns, too, if prepared correctly but that would be getting really nuanced to allow all these species, for no real reason. At that point you would want to break away from the fruiting category. And the rules would have to start somewhere, of course there are always exceptions.
 
You guys are coming up with way more stuff than I could ever imagine.
I just noticed that it looks like every year there is a contest that starts that year. I tried the 2018 Japanese Black Pine contest (I think that it was 2018) and I couldn't get past the seedling phase. They all grew to about 1.5-2 inches tall and then one day they all died.

Last summer we had a spell of triple digit temps with no rain and my trees were not watered like I was told that they were. I lost every single outdoor tree. Last fall I was able to get 2 Dawn Redwoods for my birthday and those 2 trees (twigs) is all I have right now. My financial situation puts me and my family well below the poverty line. So just buying a bunch of trees to replace those that died isn't in the cards. There are three species that are very important for me to get as they are by far my favorites: Dawn Redwood, Pine (not that picky on the species of pine) and crepe myrtle, I have 2 dawn redwoods, so I marked those off the wish list. So I was thinking that if there was a contest starting this year then I could try to participate and it would be better if the contest were for a tree that is a little bit out of my comfort zone and I could try something new. Sometimes one can take advantage of starting off with a clean slate.

I have never grown any fruit trees, I've always wanted an apple tree. Not really for the apples but for the memories of my mom with an apple tree. Since I know nothing about fruit trees, and I have even less experience with them, then I will let you decide on what we do. If I can afford it then I will be happy to participate in it.
 
Keep in mind that many fruit trees might take 15+ years to reach maturity and carry fruits and flowers. Starting them from seed is not for the faint of heart.


You can of course propose a contest yourself and try to develop rules for it. Check the contests section on how most of the others came to be. Just one person with a silly suggestyion and 3, 4 5 people pitching in.
In the contest are we looking for fruit and or flowers on the tree?
 
In the contest are we looking for fruit and or flowers on the tree?
That is to be decided. My comment was more generic in nature. Growing fruiting and flowering (actually, any) trees from seed take a long time before they reach a mature age during which you see bark develop and flowers / fruits on the tree. Although fine for some, many people prefer to have a tree with aged look & flowers / fruits in a 5-10 year development framework. Rarely is that feasible from seed.
 
I don't think we need to be too technical about what counts as a fruit. There's no prize money involved, so "cheating" isn't really a problem. If an ordinary, reasonable person would consider it a fruit, it's a fruit.
 
I am for the same starting point for all. For example 5yrs development maple from seed (or any exactly given specie of tree). For fruiting / flowering tree could be better contest for example from airlayering, because we could obtain flowers or fruits very fast. Do not forget, that many trees need to mature more than 5yrs to bring flowers.

Also for me it is more educational to see more examples in contest from same specie. Like there was contest from Japanese Black Pine. If it will be allowed for all kinds of trees with “fruit” there will be very little knowledge to extract and to learn what worked and what not.
 
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I am for the same starting point for all. For example 5yrs development maple from seed (or any exactly given specie of tree). For fruiting / flowering tree could be better contest for example from airlayering, because we could obtain flowers or fruits very fast. Do not forget, that many trees need to mature more than 5yrs to bring flowers.

Also for me it is more educational to see more examples in contest from same specie. Like there was contest from Japanese Black Pine. If it will be allowed for all kinds of trees with “fruit” there will be very little knowledge to extract and to learn what worked and what not.

You make a good point. The original six-year Japanese black pine contest was based on an article about growing a show-ready shohin pine in six years from seed, which is a lightning-fast development time for a bonsai tree. When I was new here, zanduh suggested a five-year native tree challenge, using more mature material as a starting point. The goal was to see more variety of species from around the world, which also has some educational value. I suggested an oak contest last year, which I hoped would spur more interest in oak bonsai. Is there a particular genus or species you want to explore? A fast-growing, underrated variety would be ideal, but a slow-growing species would also work with a longer time frame.
 
I like the idea of a genus contest. This would allow participation for almost everyone, as some species will grow here but not there, but there's very likely a species within each genus that can grow in most, if not all climates. Quercus works for me, but I'm not picky.
 
Really any contest ends up being fun with some participation. I share the opinion that starting from seed is maybe a bit much. We can save a number of years by starting with a seedling or just something untrained.
 
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