sorce
Nonsense Rascal
I'm wintering like this this year.
FTBS!
Sorce
FTBS!
Sorce
Did I go over over the top from winterizing.
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MountainExplorer
Mame
Where do ya live?
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
MountainExplorer
Mame
Same here. Have you been doing it like this for years or first time? Just asking so I know what the hell to do lol
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Sorry I couldn't type on my phone earlier...
I used to be up on them apartment sills with ice so thick it was an inch thick on the inside of the window.
Only problem was ever repotting to early.
To early like, before the Summer Solstice.
But winter never killed anything.
Again, I don't mess with stuff that needs caring for, I got four kids for that!
Local stuff, that you can sniff from that porch....
That's what to use!
Nursery Mugo, spruce, juniper....
They ain't flinchin.
If it does flinch, it flies with the finches!
You say that thing is Hardy local?
Leave it out!
Sometimes I think....
Well, maybe when they are refined and in pots and blah blah blah, maybe then I can't do it.....
But all that means is I'll know these trees that many years better. So I don't really forsee any problems.
Use trees that fit your situation.
Don't try to make your situation fit a tree.
Until you're ready of course.
If I could up a cold greenhouse I been would have!
But Cuz you can't don't mean you can't be successful.
And it damn sure don't mean you gotta have a giant Ant farm on your porch! Lol!
Sorce
MountainExplorer
Mame
Hahaha I feel ya idk Iv been getting mixed reviews people say no people say ya, wind, below freezing temps etc
miker
Chumono
Nice jade MountainExplorer. As far as the attic goes, I would take temperature measurements in the area where you plan to keep dormant trees and record your results and compare them to actual outdoor temperatures. It would really be best to do this periodically during a whole winter before you might decide to use the space for dormant tree storage.
If the temperature during the winter generally stays 45F and below, it should be a good place to store your trees. You might be surprised how warm it gets up there during the winter, especially during the day. If it consistently gets into the mid to upper 40s (or warmer), it is likely to warm for your trees.
If the temperature during the winter generally stays 45F and below, it should be a good place to store your trees. You might be surprised how warm it gets up there during the winter, especially during the day. If it consistently gets into the mid to upper 40s (or warmer), it is likely to warm for your trees.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Attic be dry. You ain't gonna wanna go up there everyday!
Here's my thing....
Almost 90% of people repot in spring....
And offer all sorts of winter protection.
Which came first is my question?
I think all these people offer winter protection Cuz trees die without it if repotted in spring.
Backwards right?
And people tend to not think into their own past situations enough to recall which came first....20-30 years ago, that or....
This is how I do it and what works for me....
Blah blah blah...
Just like every other situation, work, driving,etc....
Doing stupid shit the hard way for subpar results.
Take this 3 story building we erected for example,.....
Rather than frame the holes for the plumbing before pouring the floors, these fucks spend 2 weeks coring holes in 4in concrete.
And we are going to start fining people walking and texting in the city.
Meanwhile, In Germany, they are putting lights on the ground for pedestrians on phones, the subway remains honor system, and the streets are clean as fuck...so I'm told.
Anyway.....
Now that I finally got this figured out....
No "Bonsai 2 step" God no! That is fucking ridiculous!
No hustling to repot shit all inside a 2 week window.
No moving a bunch of cold dirty pots around for no reason in the cold dirty new winter.
Rain and Wane.
That's all you have to remember IMO!
Repot when the moon is waning and it's raining.
Then it's all design and pinching!
Successful summer repot list.....
Spruce, juniper, mugo, barberry, boxwood.
Mike did an elm last summer and it's fine.
I dug all my elms in summer....
Then proceeded to kill most of them repotting in spring.
I used to think it was just here that summer repotting was good....
But now a bigger picture is clearing.
Sorce
Here's my thing....
Almost 90% of people repot in spring....
And offer all sorts of winter protection.
Which came first is my question?
I think all these people offer winter protection Cuz trees die without it if repotted in spring.
Backwards right?
And people tend to not think into their own past situations enough to recall which came first....20-30 years ago, that or....
This is how I do it and what works for me....
Blah blah blah...
Just like every other situation, work, driving,etc....
Doing stupid shit the hard way for subpar results.
Take this 3 story building we erected for example,.....
Rather than frame the holes for the plumbing before pouring the floors, these fucks spend 2 weeks coring holes in 4in concrete.
And we are going to start fining people walking and texting in the city.
Meanwhile, In Germany, they are putting lights on the ground for pedestrians on phones, the subway remains honor system, and the streets are clean as fuck...so I'm told.
Anyway.....
Now that I finally got this figured out....
No "Bonsai 2 step" God no! That is fucking ridiculous!
No hustling to repot shit all inside a 2 week window.
No moving a bunch of cold dirty pots around for no reason in the cold dirty new winter.
Rain and Wane.
That's all you have to remember IMO!
Repot when the moon is waning and it's raining.
Then it's all design and pinching!
Successful summer repot list.....
Spruce, juniper, mugo, barberry, boxwood.
Mike did an elm last summer and it's fine.
I dug all my elms in summer....
Then proceeded to kill most of them repotting in spring.
I used to think it was just here that summer repotting was good....
But now a bigger picture is clearing.
Sorce
MountainExplorer
Mame
That' exactl what I am doing at the moment I got a temp gauge up there reading 45 up there and it' 36 degrees out but I will monitor for sure. Thanks
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
Warm winter days can bring temps up in my cold greenhouse. I open windows...old school for some. But, it is what it is. Do you have a way of releasing heat build up if it happens?
MountainExplorer
Mame
No but I think I'm just going to leave it on my porch and see what happens.
miker
Chumono
Hey Sorce,
Are you suggesting that what we have learned regarding wintering temperate trees might actually be overkill in many climates and for many species? That maybe we are babying our trees unnecessarily?
I think it would be a useful experiment to try letting some saplings of various (particularly deciduous) species just ride it out on the bench over winter. During an ordinary winter, as long as the roots were kept moist, I bet it would be surprising how little damage/mortality there was come spring.
I think an experiment is in order involving maybe 3-5 3 foot trident maple saplings in 1-3 gallon containers kept in various exposed locations around the grow area for a few winters here in SE PA.
Each spring, I could examine the condition of the roots to see what kind of damage(if any) was typical.
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
I wouldn't.
I left a couple siberian elms sit out 2 years ago ti see if they could take it.
Nope.
Sustained temps too far under freezing were too much for them. The roots actually blew up they froze so hard.
Also just sitting out there if they don't die from freezing in the spring they can wake up too early then get repeatedly smoked by frost.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Japan IS an Island!
But.....if the theory is correct....
Spring checking would be damaging to its survival.
Or maybe that's the point!
But there's only one way to find out!
I know last year was a messed up year for...MOST of us!
But still.....it is the first time I "wintered" anything, and the first time I had buds too early!
I got 4 mugos that'll make it for sure!
What else do I really need!
Nah...for real the only thing that hasn't taken it previously is the Shimpaku...but that moss is like a friggin blanket and that IKER is thick.
It's an experiment !
Sorce
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
You've put some time into all of your trees. Not just the mugo pines. It sucks losing large quantities of trees. No matter how. If you are having issues with trees waking up early,why not just try to rectify that by changing something in winter storage? You could use something to build a wall around them in order to keep sun and warm winds out in spring. Also,throughout winter pile snow on them. I shovel it from the yard and toss it on the trees all winter. I'm actually borrowing a neighbor's snow thrower to blow it from the yard into my pen this year.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
More next summer when I repot!
I'm still trying to cut down the collection before I move, old man winter be on the decisions panel!
Sorce
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
That's one way to look at it. I might offer a few of my fav's that I would hate to lose...if you have any in that category...some mulched in location on the ground. ?More next summer when I repot!
I'm still trying to cut down the collection before I move, old man winter be on the decisions panel!
Sorce
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Done this for a variety of species. Not really necessary to kill saplings though. It's easier to just consider the region of origin of the species you're using and act accordingly. For instance Amur Maple hails from areas near Siberia. The species can take (and needs) extremely low winter temps. They need no protection in zone 7. I have left mine out on the bench from fall till spring with no bad consequences. The exposure keeps them from breaking bud too early. Ponderosa pine, which come from high, cold arid regions, don't need protection in my area either. I left mine out for a decade of winters here with no problems. I finally sold it though.
I would be very hesitant to leave southern native species out with no protection. Bald cypress, cedar elm and live oak all need to have their roots shielded from the worst winter temps here. They will die if things get too cold. Trident maples (and Japanese maples too to some extent) can be sensitive to the colder end of the temperature range here. All of the above get mulched into sheltered areas of my backyard, including a cold pit. The live oak goes south to a cold greenhouse for the winter around Thanksgiving until March. It could probably take the backyard treatment, but I don't want to risk it with that tree.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Mine was kicking it so we'll see what winter does.
I'm also leaving out my winged Elm from VA.
If anyone wants to make bets!
Sorce
