trident maple after care

[Caryboy]

I just got this trident and did the workshop on pruning and wiring yesterday. the question i forgot to ask there was now that we chopped a good amount of the tree off, and wired almost every branch... should it like be kept in the ac of the house for a few days since it is going to be well over 90 with a heat index of 110, or should it be ok in its usual place?

 

[Shibui]

I try to put all trees straight back on the usual spots after work. Every time you move a tree to a new position it needs to adjust and loses growth while that happens.
last year, after summer defoliation, a couple of my Japanese maples had sunburn on the branches so it may be prudent to provide some shade in really hot weather straight after removing foliage.
One problem with providing shade is that the leaves quickly adjust to the new shaded conditions then when you put them back in the sun the leaves will get sunburnt anyway.
I would not keep trees inside. I don't think it is the heat that causes problems it is more about the sun and UV. The lightest shade from afternoon sun should be fine.

 

[Caryboy]

ok thanks, i know i will probably bring my tropicals back inside earlier than usual, i was just thinking the heat may be too much for the maple after a lot of chopping and wiring.

 

[Bonsai Nut]

Did you do anything to the roots - like repotting? If the roots were left untouched, the tree can be put out in sun - and as @Shibui said, it actually benefits from the sun. When your new growth appears, it will be more compact/less leggy if kept in brighter light. Though some Japanese maples do best in dappled light, trident maples are strong enough that I have not had a problem with keeping them in full sun.

It is almost never a good idea to keep your trees inside. Not only is it difficult to provide enough light, but home interiors are usually kept much less humid than the exterior. If you keep a repotted tree in your house, you might have the best of intentions, but you may be stressing it more than if you just left it outside in a protected area.

 

[Caryboy]

nothing was done to the roots, the person who did the workshop said that they should only be repotted in early spring, because i saw a pot i wanted for it there as well, hopefully they will have it in the spring still or something like it.

 

[Adair M]

If you liked the pot, you should have purchased it, and just held on to it until next spring.

 

[Caryboy]

im going to call them and see if they will hold it for me. he ordered me a turntable thing, because the one he had left was perfect but he said there was something wrong with its turning parts so he was sending it back.

 

[sorce]

When I read the title I thought first of after after care, as in, what will you do with it for winter?

If it won't be housed in a climate controlled environment which you know the effects of....

I doubt it will live through a spring repotting.

what nursery are you going to?

Sorce

 

[Caryboy]

i am planning on putting it in the garage for winter.

 

[coh]

I doubt it will live through a spring repotting.

Why?

 

[sorce]

Why?

Stuff comfortable being here doesn't.

Sorce

 

[coh]

Stuff comfortable being here doesn't.

Sorce

You do realize that the vast majority of bonsai practitioners all over the world, repot the vast majority of their trees in the spring, don't you? And they mostly survive. That includes trident maples in cold climate areas. Yes, I've repotted trident maples in the spring, just like I repot almost all of my trees in the spring. Never lost a tree after repotting except for one maple that may have been diseased when I got it. Hundreds of repots over the years, ,all kinds of species.

If you are losing lots of trees after repotting in the spring, the problem is with you - not the trees.

 

[Caryboy]

Supposedly tridents don’t like their roots getting colder than 25, and supposedly if they are not protected against the wind it can harm the branches ...

 

[sorce]

If you are losing lots of trees after repotting in the spring, the problem is with you

Yes, my problem being listening to the BS on the internet.

Cary is approximately one week behind me in Spring and about directly north of Wheaton.



In my highly observant experience, travelling to these starred locations over the years, in every season, I've put together quite the understanding of this climate.

The Lake effect seems to end at the red line, which puts all of Leo and Chicago1980 in the lake effect zone with me.

So while the rest of the entire world may be right, they don't live here, so unless you have something scientific to add to the conversation, you probably shouldn't be here arguing with me, making recommendations, or whatever kind of inflating your ego by telling me I'm doing something wrong that you're doing.

I've had some spring successes, but it seems the exception, as, I haven't lost anything to summer repotting yet.

The exact pattern being, newb excited repotting too hard and early In spring.
Repotting too hard and early.
Repotting to Early.
Repotting after 38F.

To finally saying fuck it and repotting in summer.

I must be wrong for having success in the summer too huh?

Boo hoo.

Sorce

 

[coh]

In my highly observant experience, travelling to these starred locations over the years, in every season, I've put together quite the understanding of this climate.

The Lake effect seems to end at the red line, which puts all of Leo and Chicago1980 in the lake effect zone with me.

So while the rest of the entire world may be right, they don't live here, so unless you have something scientific to add to the conversation, you probably shouldn't be here arguing with me, making recommendations, or whatever kind of inflating your ego by telling me I'm doing something wrong that you're doing.

I've had some spring successes, but it seems the exception, as, I haven't lost anything to summer repotting yet.

I'll let you in on a little secret. We have a lake effect zone here too. Lake Ontario, maybe you've heard of it?

I live about 10 miles from the lake. In the spring we are often in the lake breeze zone. Temp can be in the 40s here and 70s a few miles to the south.

But guess what...everyone I know anywhere around here, repots in spring. And it works, whether inside the "lake zone" (like me) or outside the lake zone. And other places where they repot in spring have their own local climate idiosyncrasies.

So...your lack of spring repotting success is almost certainly reflecting a shortcoming in your approach.

As for summer repotting...great, if it works for you knock yourself out. You'll note I didn't say anything about summer repotting in my previous response.

 

[A. Gorilla]

You have a

I'll let you in on a little secret. We have a lake effect zone here too. Lake Ontario, maybe you've heard of it?

I live about 10 miles from the lake. In the spring we are often in the lake breeze zone. Temp can be in the 40s here and 70s a few miles to the south.

But guess what...everyone I know anywhere around here, repots in spring. And it works, whether inside the "lake zone" (like me) or outside the lake zone. And other places where they repot in spring have their own local climate idiosyncrasies.

So...your lack of spring repotting success is almost certainly reflecting a shortcoming in your approach.

As for summer repotting...great, if it works for you knock yourself out. You'll note I didn't say anything about summer repotting in my previous response.

Lake Ontario is a joke. Gordon Lightfoot barely said anything it about in Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. It takes in what Lake Eerie sends her. That's it? He's Canadian, so he knows.

Sounds like a little bitch.

 

[sorce]

I'll let you in on a little secret. We have a lake effect zone here too. Lake Ontario, maybe you've heard of it?

I live about 10 miles from the lake. In the spring we are often in the lake breeze zone. Temp can be in the 40s here and 70s a few miles to the south.

But guess what...everyone I know anywhere around here, repots in spring. And it works, whether inside the "lake zone" (like me) or outside the lake zone. And other places where they repot in spring have their own local climate idiosyncrasies.

So...your lack of spring repotting success is almost certainly reflecting a shortcoming in your approach.

As for summer repotting...great, if it works for you knock yourself out. You'll note I didn't say anything about summer repotting in my previous response.

I apologize, I have let previous interactions determine my tone.

The Lake is West of you yes? Ah north and west!

As far as surrounding terrain, we are still completely different. Everything west of me being perfectly flat the greatest difference.

I can't pretend to know what this changes, I can only be observant enough to know what doesn't work for me.

Oh this is what it was( I knew I had something nice to say).

It is following ALL the teachings of spring repotting that put me into summer repotting.

What is the recommended change of not repotting when it works?

Sorce

 

[coh]

What is the recommended change of not repotting when it works?

You'll have to translate that one if you want some kind of response...I have no idea what you're trying to say.

 

[sorce]

You'll have to translate that one if you want some kind of response...I have no idea what you're trying to say.

I changed my repotting time with success.

What else should be changed?
What am I "doing wrong"?

"Not enough protection" is the only thing I can come up with.

But I don't want to attempt to keep stuff that needs more protection and there are plenty things that do fine.

Sorce

 

[Caryboy]

there was the maple workshop that i went to yesterday, i wanted to go to something fun for a change instead of having nothing worthwile to do besides do work for my job that i have not done since this NONSENSE pandemic bs started. everyone else in my office is capable of doing work from home and doing adult things, i am 48 but cannot do anything an adult does UNLESS it is fun, and growing these little cute trees is fun. it was a "bring your own tree" workshop, and it was on maples.... i didnt have any maples, i have a few ficus, a fukien tea, a chinese elm and a couple junipers. my ficus, fukien tea and chinese elm live inside, and of course the junipers live outside unless i want their company for a day or two a week.... so i had to get a maple. my friend has a trident, and they are cute little trees with cute little leaves, so i got one. i got one with a cool looking trunk, and with the owner of the place help have it styled to show off its cool looking trunk. she is the one who said the best time to repot them is in early spring before they get the new leaves, we didnt touch any root things at all, we did some heavy pruning and chopped a foot at least off of it and wired the remaining branches to show off his cool trunk. first time i ever wired a tree. i was just wondering if after being pruned and wired, like every branch has wires if the tree needed to be kept out of the sun, like most books say all trees need after being repotted. winter, he will be going into the garage for shelter.... its an unheated garage so it will be out of the cold chicago winds and the garage doesnt seem to ever be much colder than maybe 20 degrees for some reason, maybe because it was wrapped in tyvek when it was built. he will be a cool looking tree when he gets all his new leaves back in the spring.