Tree not doing so great

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I’m new to Bonsai care and was gifted a Chinese Elm (at least I think that’s what it is) a couple of years ago. For the first year it was doing really well, loads of new growth etc. It seems over the past six months or so it’s completely stopped growing and is now starting to look a little worse for wear. It still has leaves but is looking quite twiggy and the leaves seem to be going mottled and yellow.

After doing some reading I decided to repot it as it was in what looked like potting soil. I’ve repotted it in a 50/50 organic/inorganic mix with plenty of stones. I’ve also moved it outside (I’m based in the UK which is warm and wet at the moment so it’s getting plenty of sun and water). It’s been a few weeks since repotting and moving outside and still no better. Any advice would be much appreciated
 

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A few questions for you:
  • What is in your soil currently exactly? Potting mix can be a combination of many things and inorganic "rocks" isn't specific. Most rocks do not hold much moisture or air and only serve to improve drainage (to an extent - having 50% potting mix as the other component will negate most of the drainage you are trying to gain from the rocks).
    • You'll want to look into inorganics meant specifically for horticulture like perlite, pumice, lava rock, etc.
  • What exactly did you do for the repot? What time of year was it? Did you make sure there were no air pockets in the substrate when repotting?
  • Where was this kept for most of the year leading up to the repot and move outdoors? If it's adapted to indoor, a move outdoors can be stressful and loss of foliage is to be expected as it re-acclimates.
  • Have you been fertilizing at all?
 
Welcome! You should put your USDA Zone and location in your profile so we always know what kind of advice to give based on your conditions.

I can't help with specific pests/fungal issues but I do keep my Chinese elms (several) outside year round and they're really healthy. My climate in the Pacific Northwest - Washington State - is similar to southern England. I put my CE's on the ground for the winter but otherwise they don't receive any specific protection. You might try outside year-round (even if your climate is a bit more severe.) They are pretty hardy.
 
Pot looks a bit small for a stressed tree but not sure if you repotted and then tree started going down hill or if it was already going downhill before repotting. Stones look like stones amd not a mix of bonsai substrate from the pics but not 100% sure what those are. If indeed rocks seems like would take up valuable space for soil that roots need. Just a thought as I’m still new to this myself.
 
but I do keep my Chinese elms (several) outside year round and they're really healthy.
I second this. I tend to mulch my pots in for the winter, but the CEs spend lots of time frozen and are happy come spring. Trees are always happier outside.
 
Lack of growth and yellow leaves can be general ill health or starvation.
Water and location have been discussed but no mention of fertiliser. What fert have you been using and how often?

A few weeks is not much time for a tree to turn around and return to health. It may take a couple of months to recover.
 
A few questions for you:
  • What is in your soil currently exactly? Potting mix can be a combination of many things and inorganic "rocks" isn't specific. Most rocks do not hold much moisture or air and only serve to improve drainage (to an extent - having 50% potting mix as the other component will negate most of the drainage you are trying to gain from the rocks).
    • You'll want to look into inorganics meant specifically for horticulture like perlite, pumice, lava rock, etc.
  • What exactly did you do for the repot? What time of year was it? Did you make sure there were no air pockets in the substrate when repotting?
  • Where was this kept for most of the year leading up to the repot and move outdoors? If it's adapted to indoor, a move outdoors can be stressful and loss of foliage is to be expected as it re-acclimates.
  • Have you been fertilizing at all?
The rocks on top were more for decoration to be honest. The mix I used was a bonsai substrate so pumice, lava rock etc. I actually repotted it fully in the substrate with no organic mix but started to worry as I only have house plants other than this one bonsai and have only ever used normal soil. It seemed so un natural potting something in rocks so I added some organic soil to the bonsai substrate.

Repotted in early May so just a couple of weeks ago, made sure there were no air pockets etc. It has been kept indoor all its life until I moved it outdoors a couple of weeks ago.

it has never been fertilised so might start there!

Would you recommend a larger pot in purely inorganic bonsai mix and fertilising it? Can I repot it again now to help it recover or will I need to wait? I might also move it back indoors if it’s adapted to live inside as we miss it in our office
 
Others with more experience may have better answers but I assume repotting again not a good idea but as Shibui mentioned fertilizing and waiting and make sure it’s maybe a bit shady and not full sun.

FYI I had A tropical tree inside for all last year and looked good until early winter and leafs were getting yellow and repotted early spring and didn’t look great but moved it outside and it does seem keeping them outside is much better long term. That tree is very green and is doing well now.
 
The rocks on top were more for decoration to be honest. The mix I used was a bonsai substrate so pumice, lava rock etc. I actually repotted it fully in the substrate with no organic mix but started to worry as I only have house plants other than this one bonsai and have only ever used normal soil. It seemed so un natural potting something in rocks so I added some organic soil to the bonsai substrate.

Repotted in early May so just a couple of weeks ago, made sure there were no air pockets etc. It has been kept indoor all its life until I moved it outdoors a couple of weeks ago.

it has never been fertilised so might start there!

Would you recommend a larger pot in purely inorganic bonsai mix and fertilising it? Can I repot it again now to help it recover or will I need to wait? I might also move it back indoors if it’s adapted to live inside as we miss it in our office
Bonsai are NOT houseplants. Common mistake among beginners. FWIW, "houseplants" are tropical species (for the most part) that TOLERATE living inside. They don't adapt to indoors, they only endure the treatment.

Indoor conditions are extreme for any plant-- extremely low light (Even near a window, sunlight is about a fifth of direct outdoor sunlight), extremely low humidity (in the winter with heat on, it can be lower than a desert), no air circulation (wind is not an indoor phenomenon 😁 . Air circulation is important to keep a lot of issues at bay, like fungus, certain insects, etc.)

Potting soil for indoor houseplants is made to hold onto water as watering can be iffy (no rain) and that pesky low humidity. Using such a moisture retentive soil with bonsai is possible, but it complicates things dramatically and requires expert watering skills. Good bonsai soil DRAINS very very well, but has components that hold onto some water and release it over time. Bonsai soil often terrifies those unfamiliar with it because it looks like "rocks." 😁

Your tree has not been kept inside all its life. It probably grew from a seedling in a greenhouse before you got it (which technically is indoors, but unless you have glass ceilings and humidifiers in your house, etc. it's really not the indoors you might envision). It may have also been grown out at an actual outdoor nursery and then potted up in a bonsai pot. Rest assured it did not grow on a shelf in a living room as a seedling😁

You don't list where you live, but if it's late spring, the tree should be outside (a location with direct morning sun for about four hours, then afternoon shade is optimal).I would not repot it at this point and elms appreciate a little organic in their soil.

FWIW, watering bonsai is one of the most difficult things to learn. It takes time. (BTW, the actual rocks on the soil surface will complicate your watering hiding the soil surface and making it more difficult to see when it's time to water. I'd get rid of them) Most beginners overwater. Soil should dry a bit--the top inch or half inch should be dry before watering. This can vary tremendously. A dry windy day in June will dry the tree out quickly. It may require two waterings that day. A hot humid still day and the tree may not require it at all. That means you can't water on a schedule you plan out. You have to work with the tree's needs.

Also, moving back inside because it's missed will eventually mean you miss it because it died. It will die inside. It was already on its way and hopefully it will recover outside. It should remain outdoors for the rest of its life. You will have to provide winter protection. That protection can vary depending on your location. I'm in USDA zone 7 in Va. I've kept Chinese elm in a garden bed heavily mulched over winters that have seen temps as low as 0 F--but with regular winter temps ranging between 20-freezing 32. They're winter hardy and can take moderate winters pretty well. If you're in an area (please fill in your location in your avatar) that sees winter extremes --like Minnesota, etc.--it will require more substantial protection.

If you really want an "indoor" bonsai, get one made from a tropical species-ficus or a schefflera are two pretty tough species that can tolerate indoors for extended periods.
 
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Thankyou for all of the info! You were right, I was scared by the substrate 😂

Attached some pictures of what was going on under those rocks so you can see the bonsai mix. Replaced the rocks with more bonsai mix and fertilised it 👍🏻

Returned to its new outdoor home. Let’s hope he recovers
 

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The rocks on top were more for decoration to be honest. The mix I used was a bonsai substrate so pumice, lava rock etc. I actually repotted it fully in the substrate with no organic mix but started to worry as I only have house plants other than this one bonsai and have only ever used normal soil. It seemed so un natural potting something in rocks so I added some organic soil to the bonsai substrate.

Repotted in early May so just a couple of weeks ago, made sure there were no air pockets etc. It has been kept indoor all its life until I moved it outdoors a couple of weeks ago.

it has never been fertilised so might start there!

Would you recommend a larger pot in purely inorganic bonsai mix and fertilising it? Can I repot it again now to help it recover or will I need to wait? I might also move it back indoors if it’s adapted to live inside as we miss it in our office
Sounds like your situation is better than I thought - you're in proper substrate and did a proper repot although a bit out-of-season (you generally don't want to repot when the tree is in it's active spring growth and is energy negative).

Let it be for now and continue watering when needed. Chinese elms are fairly hardy and should rebound eventually if kept outside and cared for.
 
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