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My attempt on Jbp. Originally I was going to go with smaller branch as a continuation of the trunk, but I like the looks of the thicker branch better now.
TP Shohin Japanese Black Pine Attempt #1
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Disclaimer: Titled "Attempt" because I'm that good. Or bad 
bonhe
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Hi TP,
When do you want to remove the sacrificed branch?
Thank you.
Bonhe
When do you want to remove the sacrificed branch?
Thank you.
Bonhe
thumblessprimate1
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I'm assuming you mean the larger sacrfice branch, right? I was thinking it could be done this year, but I'm thinking about leaving it on another. What would you do?
bonhe
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thumblessprimate1, I'm assuming you mean the larger sacrfice branch, right?
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I was thinking it could be done this year, but I'm thinking about leaving it on another. What would you do?
If I were you, I would cut it off ASAP because it will withdraw lot of energy from other parts of the tree. Its size is already too big. This time of the year is an excellent to remove the big branch. I would leave a short stump there to prevent the bleeding from the site in spite of very low flow at this time (cool weather).
Bonhe
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I was thinking it could be done this year, but I'm thinking about leaving it on another. What would you do?
If I were you, I would cut it off ASAP because it will withdraw lot of energy from other parts of the tree. Its size is already too big. This time of the year is an excellent to remove the big branch. I would leave a short stump there to prevent the bleeding from the site in spite of very low flow at this time (cool weather).
Bonhe
Saizan
Yamadori
Sorry for the offtopic, but this time (fall-near winter) is good to remove big sacrifice branches on pines? I red a lot of mixed opinions about this...
AlainK
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A very interesting - and well-documented
- project, thanks for sharing. I'm going along the same lines with about two dozen JBPs but they're only in their third year.I would personally still choose the smaller branch, but I can understand a different choice : time will tell, keep posting.
Shun
Mame
how old is that jbp?
The project is coming along nicely!
Hope to be able to follow its evolution!
The project is coming along nicely!
Hope to be able to follow its evolution!
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Shun
Mame
thank you very much! interesting read! I've read it was possible to airlayer JBP`s but never seen actual pictures..! Interesting!!!
bonhe
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Sorry TP to steal your topic!
In fall or winter, the fluid movement in the vascular system is significantly reduced. Because of that, it is an excellent time to remove the big branch of the conifers. It won't have much bleeding from the cut surface comparing to other time. If the branch is too big (diameter ~ 1") I just cut it in a half and break it down partially, then will remove it completely in one year (that time I leave a short stump and remove it in another year!). It means that to remove the big branch, I need 2 years to finish the job!
Better safe than sorry!
Bonhe
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No probs!
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I'm still learning how to water properly. With this pine, I'd better not water like my deciduous. I forget, but I need to cut back now that it's not hot anymore. Got to keep from rain for a while. Bring out into sun when available.
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Look up George Muranaka on the Internet.
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Note to self: I've held back watering for 4 days now. Temps have been 40s to 60s *F. Sunny for 3/4 days and cloudy 1/4 of the days. Supposed to rain a few days after today. I've already started Daconil last week, so more Daconil perhaps today. Will keep out of rain for the fungicide to stay, and I'd hate to have needle cast or any other disease.
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So I've been going for about 5-7 days without watering. Been using the chopstick for checking moisture. When I water, I'm watering well. Spraying Daconil or Neem oil each week. The Large sacrifice branch, circled black had been removed in the way that @bonhe and @Eric Schrader have shown in their pine posts leaving a stub that's narrowed down.
I'm wondering what I should do next year as far as what I might want to remove. There are two branches in green and one in orange growing from in one spot; would I have a problem with reverse taper if I left the one circled in orange to grow as the next leader or sacrifice branch? The nearest branch circled in green has buds on it that could be developed into the next leader. The branch circled in blue could be removed next year after helping to thicken the trunk or the next year; I'm not sure yet. Wondering if I should leave some of the branches that aren't part of the future of the tree for approach grafting. What do you guys think? @Adair M ? @Brian Van Fleet?
You guys and gals feel free to show me any possible virt. I have an idea of what I might want, but would love to see other possibilites. Been looking at other folks examples.
I'm wondering what I should do next year as far as what I might want to remove. There are two branches in green and one in orange growing from in one spot; would I have a problem with reverse taper if I left the one circled in orange to grow as the next leader or sacrifice branch? The nearest branch circled in green has buds on it that could be developed into the next leader. The branch circled in blue could be removed next year after helping to thicken the trunk or the next year; I'm not sure yet. Wondering if I should leave some of the branches that aren't part of the future of the tree for approach grafting. What do you guys think? @Adair M ? @Brian Van Fleet?
You guys and gals feel free to show me any possible virt. I have an idea of what I might want, but would love to see other possibilites. Been looking at other folks examples.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
I assume you're going for something smaller; 8-12" finished height? If not, let it keep growing. If so, I'd say you're on the right track. I would reduce the 2 sacrifice branches soon, maybe the left sooner than the right, since the right one will only add taper and more movement until you're ready to cut it.
The orange bud, hopefully it extends outward toward the front, because you need movement in multiple planes, not just side to side, but also front to back. It will give you more interest from more viewing angles. If you have a couple buds that appear at the base of the orange-circled bud, keep them, but candle prune them in the summertime to keep them short, and potentially for final branch use later.
This one has a similar structure, and I still haven't decided if that first right branch is a keeper. It's only been in training since March, but it has branches in all the right places. It needs a haircut and wire job sometime this winter.
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Thanks @Brian Van Fleet! Sometimes I look at this little pine and am overwhelmed, but I'm trying to hang on. Glad to have your help.
sorce
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Maybe it's because you can only count to 8 on your hands.....
But you are doing this slow game Damn well!
Looks healthy!
Nice!
Sorce
But you are doing this slow game Damn well!
Looks healthy!
Nice!
Sorce
