Thanks Neli for critiquing my first attempt at wiring...

[Cadillactaste]

I do appreciate the time you took to explain to me where I'd went wrong.

The material you started with was very difficult...but I believe you could not find better in such a short time.

Your right there...I traveled a good distance to locate even this piece of material. And...you were also correct on my attempting a windswept. I guess I should have really researched a bit more. The books that arrived in the mail just the other day...gives great detailed step by step how to create a windswept. Wish I had found that elsewhere. Verses just doing google images. Thing with that is...you find the right and wrong ways to do it. And being wet behind the ears...didn't grasp which were done incorrectly.

I am not sure about the lowest branch. Were trying to create a cascade like image or a second trunk????I would have removed it...but in a developing tree it can be kept as sacrifice .

The lower branch I styled in...but, yes plans to be my sacrifice branch that I thought to later jin. No cascade ever entered my mind...

Also I am not sure if there is a crossing branch there or is a jin going up.
General direction of all branches need to be in harmony between the branches.
The length of the branches also need to be in proportion to the trunk. I feel some branches are too long.
Also you left too many branches...think where the pads will be and will you have space?
I also see you have jinned lots of small branches at the top which could have been used to make better apex.
The tree is too tall for the thickness of the trunk. You could have created a much shorter tree that was going to look better.

The front you see a Jin...long and skinny...yeah, I wasn't sure about that...thought to think on it before removing was my thinking.

I left many branches thinking it would be easier on the recovery of the tree. Killed my first juniper...was hoping to be successful with this one. With the foliage that I removed I thought leaving the branches would make up for it.

I was trying to make it appear that the wind took the top...but, I guess I didn't think of the apex. I was thinking to create a thicker trunk later with that sacrifice branch...and keep it the size it was. I guess the wrong way to look at it.

You cleaned the branches from all the foliage close to the trunk and left only little tuffs at the end...That is not OK You should have reduced the foliage from outside the branch and try to use the branchlets closer to the trunk.

Reading your previous post on the critique post...explaining conifers...I was like...ohhhhhh...I knew right then I did a big no no removing the foliage close to the trunk.

I do so appreciate your critiquing...now...my question to you. Where I bared the branches...that will grow back. Right? So...my step now is to allow it to bounce back...regrow the foliage I butchered...and then, chop the top...finding an apex. And reduce those long branches...and eventually removing many. Long term goal...if I can get it through winter. Eventually removing that sacrifice branch hoping to thicken it as well...and Jin it.

 

[Neli]

I do appreciate the time you took to explain to me where I'd went wrong.



Your right there...I traveled a good distance to locate even this piece of material. And...you were also correct on my attempting a windswept. I guess I should have really researched a bit more. The books that arrived in the mail just the other day...gives great detailed step by step how to create a windswept. Wish I had found that elsewhere. Verses just doing google images. Thing with that is...you find the right and wrong ways to do it. And being wet behind the ears...didn't grasp which were done incorrectly.


The lower branch I styled in...but, yes plans to be my sacrifice branch that I thought to later jin. No cascade ever entered my mind...
OK! I dont think it is at the ideal position for a jin, but you can be creative and wire it in such way that can compliment the tree.
REMEMBER! WIRE CRAZY JIN AND EARLY TO MAKE IT INTERESTING. fATTEN IT!


The front you see a Jin...long and skinny...yeah, I wasn't sure about that...thought to think on it before removing was my thinking.
Jin should never poke you in the eye.
I left many branches thinking it would be easier on the recovery of the tree. Killed my first juniper...was hoping to be successful with this one. With the foliage that I removed I thought leaving the branches would make up for it.
Good idea!

I was trying to make it appear that the wind took the top...but, I guess I didn't think of the apex. I was thinking to create a thicker trunk later with that sacrifice branch...and keep it the size it was. I guess the wrong way to look at it.
You left a small branch on top as an apex going up...so that is why I thought you wanted an apex. But there are some trees without apex.



Reading your previous post on the critique post...explaining conifers...I was like...ohhhhhh...I knew right then I did a big no no removing the foliage close to the trunk.

I do so appreciate your critiquing...now...my question to you. Where I bared the branches...that will grow back. Right? So...my step now is to allow it to bounce back...regrow the foliage I butchered...and then, chop the top...finding an apex. And reduce those long branches...and eventually removing many. Long term goal...if I can get it through winter. Eventually removing that sacrifice branch hoping to thicken it as well...and Jin it.

It is a very young juniper...it will back bud well. Try to reduce length on juniper branches from outside to bring the foliage closer to the trunk. Wire branches in different directions so inner foliage is not shaded and dies. Use some of the branches that are not going to be used as sacrifice /jin...but wire them in good direction (left) Wire and bend the trunk also, or, use one of those lower branches as new trunk leader...so you get taper and movement. Wire, twist it crazy! Your tree is small so easy to use new branch as leader. Keep the rest on top as sacrifice /jin...and grow it for a long time.
Hope you understand my drawing...ask if not.

 

[Neli]

Some time you can make 2 pads on one branch like this.

Here is a pine I styled with 2 pads on the long arm...rather an arty farty style

Oyakata is smiling...means he likes it.

This is a big pad on which you can see the secondary and tertiary better.

This is a pine but the pads are formed in the same manner.

 

[Cadillactaste]

It is a very young juniper...it will back bud well. Try to reduce length on juniper branches from outside to bring the foliage closer to the trunk. Wire branches in different directions so inner foliage is not shaded and dies. Use some of the branches that are not going to be used as sacrifice /jin...but wire them in good direction (left) Wire and bend the trunk also, or, use one of those lower branches as new trunk leader...so you get taper and movement. Wire, twist it crazy! Your tree is small so easy to use new branch as leader. Keep the rest on top as sacrifice /jin...and grow it for a long time.
Hope you understand my drawing...ask if not.

Yes, very young indeed...such thin branches in the lot. So should this wait until spring since we are heading into fall and winter here at my location?

I appreciate the drawing...so...I want to accomplish the photo by trimming back some pruning the bottom of foliage leaving the top right?. I do appreciate the time you took to explain how to trim the branches.

 

[Neli]

Yes, very young indeed...such thin branches in the lot. So should this wait until spring since we are heading into fall and winter here at my location?

I appreciate the drawing...so...I want to accomplish the photo by trimming back some pruning the bottom of foliage leaving the top right?. I do appreciate the time you took to explain how to trim the branches.

At this time dont trim anything...you need it to grow...You have assaulted it already...so let it grow and see about wiring a new leader next year.
Dont trim bottom branches now. When wiring you can twist the primary branch so the secondary comes on the side. Dont trim it for now...show it again in a year or two to see if it needs thinning.

 

[Cadillactaste]

Thanks again! That's what I thought. But, wanted to make sure.

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

Excellent photos Nellie; it's crucial to study the undersides of well-ramified trees.

 

[Neli]

Thanks Brian, You should have seen the gymnastics I had to employ to take them...I was funny looking so Oyakata was laughing at me...I have soooooo many pictures I dont think I have even seen some of them yet...but they are very useful, even for me. I made sure I get pictures of how the different junipers are styled...even hinoki and needle.