@JudyB plan now for January 2022 to go the California Shohin Convention. I went for a few hours to the one last January, and ran into Dmoke, Bill Valavanis, Jim Gremel, Eric Shrader, Jonas Duiprich, Peter Tea, Peter Mancazeb, Chris from Telperion farms, David Knittle, among others. For me, I wasn’t actually planning to go, but I was in California, within easy driving distance, and I’m really glad I went. Since you like the small trees, I think you’d enjoy it, too.