Satsuki Trunk Thickening

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I was gifted a young Satsuki bonsai last fall. The trunk is pencil then.

I was thinking I could remove it from the bonsai pot it came in and place it in a larger flower pot for a year or 2 to help thicken the trunk faster.

Any thoughts on this?
 
I don't have any experience with azaleas, but generally allowing the tree to grow will assist with trunk thickening.
 
That was my thought as well. I guess I am just wondering if anyone has done it with an azalea and the results.
 
I will make the following completely overgeneralized observation - all bonsai are generally developed in the same/similar manner. Tree trunks thicken when the tree grows. That's just a tree thing and isn't special to pines or maples or azaleas. Another less so overgeneralized observation - the differences in development among species will have more to do with the required horticultural care for the specific species and the manner in which the trees are pruned and repotted.

I believe azalea will behave like any other tree and fatten if allowed to grow (especially in the ground). The questions you should be asking is how to overwinter azalea in your zone, how to water etc. Then you will need to understand how hard azalea trunks and roots can be cut back (I imagine they are far different than trident maples, for example, and will require you not to lop off the entire canopy - but again, I don't know about azaleas). How do azalea deal with scars? You may want to prune back every so often so that you aren't left with giant scars that may not heal.
 
I was gifted a young Satsuki bonsai last fall. The trunk is pencil then.

I was thinking I could remove it from the bonsai pot it came in and place it in a larger flower pot for a year or 2 to help thicken the trunk faster.

Any thoughts on this?
It will help--a little. The ground for five years is better if the plant can hack your winters. Best way to get a thick trunked azalea is to start with one, however.
 
That's just a tree thing and isn't special to pines or maples or azaleas.

I’d take that a step further. The fact that a plant adds layers of wood as it grows is what makes it possible to use for bonsai. It’s a defining feature of trees.
 
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Nice video @Glaucus !

The master laid it all out pretty well, you can grow out in a pot or a box, or in the ground…. But in a pot… less in a box (size) one will need to uppot. Usually 1-> 2 years while young, age/species/health dependent but not until the roots are firmly established. Then prune once a year. Weather can be a big concern if one is not experienced. For me it’s more about *@!!$%?!! rabbits.
I believe azalea will behave like any other tree and fatten if allowed to grow (especially in the ground). The questions you should be asking is how to overwinter azalea in your zone, how to water etc.
Definitely lots of generalizations!

It seems to me that the best way to learn how to care for a specific type of trees is to work with a LOT of them.
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… no wonder the Fleet Admiral thinks maybe I should find new homes for some of these (and the rest) little guys.
Then you will need to understand how hard azalea trunks and roots can be cut back (I imagine they are far different than trident maples, for example, and will require you not to lop off the entire canopy - but again, I don't know about azaleas).
Hmm…. Nope. 😉
How do azalea deal with scars?
Just like any tree, but can be slow healing, especially if a tree is unhealthy and/or cuts not sealed (all) and cut pasted ( above 1/8”).
You may want to prune back every so often so that you aren't left with giant scars that may not heal.
Yeah, that’s a very stick wicket… depends on lots of things…. Especially, but not only, one’s goal for the tree.

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Literal translation for branch heirachy
Daughter granddaughter etc
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Looks like a fast process from this drawing:
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Of course, that’s only because I can’t read the captions.

The captions are:

The first three years, prune off the side shoots and grow to extend them to the desired height.
Apply wire in march of the fourth year.
Put them in the field and fatten them up.
Let them grow out, but remove unwanted branches.


Bottom 3 images:

4 months later, shoots grow 5-10 cm (leaves are omitted).

Cut off unwanted shoots. If the angle is not right, add a wire to correct it.
Add wire to correct the angle.

3~5 years later

https://www.deepl.com translates almost perfectly, except some verbs, very funky grammar, and specific words like names and jargon.
You can translate the entire site.

In terms of time, from cutting to 'patterned whip', it takes 4 years.
Then an undisclosed amount of fattening them up in the field.
Then 3 to 5 years to grow foliage pads.


Azaleas are not trees. They are basal dominant. This helps them develop taper without chopping the tree in half, like done with a maple.
It also means they are prone to reverse taper or knobby nodes. Which is why the Japanese grow them tall first. Then bend/pattern the trunk. Then fatten up. Then develop foliage pads.
 
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Thank you for the disscusion! I have learned a lot!

Now I just need to decide to plant in the yard or put in a larger flower pot.
 
This was not the grow field but the burlap yard for a nursey in Kanuma in 2012.
According to ‘net search, the 2012 exchange rate made 10k yen = 127USD which is $163 in todays money. If you like Satsuki azaleas you should probably just move to Japan! Lol
 
I think to get the real size in a reasonable time frame (10 years) they have to be grown in the ground. This was not the grow field but the burlap yard for a nursey in Kanuma in 2012.

Hmm….. 10 years would be good, but to get to the size trees in the photo, 45 years might be closer…. Of course this depends on the cultivar etc etc and proper pruning and horticulture. I believe many of the popular ones in each size class are cultivar selected to be fastest growing in their respective size class.

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I am going to up pot this azalea tomorrow. Would it be best to use bonsai style media or a mix of compost, potting soil, and perlite?

I have both
 
Kanuma or a mix of perlite with ericaceous potting mix and maybe some small chunks of pine bark.
 
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