Roundup vs Japanese Maple Seedling

[thumblessprimate1]

Hoping that this thread will have many follow ups.

I was spraying the weeds in the garden today. Didn't expect to find a Japanese maple seedling growing. I sprayed the lil one. But as quickly as I had sprayed him, I realized what it was that was growing. Promptly, the maple was removed from the ground, and it's leaves were washed with water.

Think he'll live? We shall see.

 

[eugen_onegin]

Not trying to hate or anything, but I don't believe this is a Japanese Maple. Even if it's not, there may be a great tree in the saddling somewhere.

 

[thumblessprimate1]

No prob. I haven't had any Acer seedlings yet, so I could be wrong. But it sure looks like ones I've googled.

 

[0soyoung]

Look around your neighborhood - seeds likely blew into your yard from not-too-far-away.

 

[M. Frary]

No matter what it is it should be fine. It takes Round up a little while to absorb into the leaves. As long as you washed them thouroughly with water.

 

[edprocoat]

Looks like an oak, maybe a Bur Oak.

ed

 

[0soyoung]

Looks like an oak, maybe a Bur Oak.

ed

Wouldn't have an acorn attached? Thumbless didn't mention anything about a nut of any kind attached to the seeling he lifted.

 

[daygan]

No, I think the veins are wrong for an oak. The veins on an oak for each pair of lobes radiate out from the central vein at distinct locations that no other pair of lobes share. In @thumblessprimate1 's photo, the veins of all five lobes radiate from one single, shared point, like a maple's leaf.

Also, oak leaves are alternating, not opposite, and the cotyledons do not become leaf-like - they're the nut of the acorn.

 

[edprocoat]

No, I think the veins are wrong for an oak. The veins on an oak for each pair of lobes radiate out from the central vein at distinct locations that no other pair of lobes share. In @thumblessprimate1 's photo, the veins of all five lobes radiate from one single, shared point, like a maple's leaf.

Also, oak leaves are alternating, not opposite, and the cotyledons do not become leaf-like - they're the nut of the acorn.

Wow you can tell a lot from that picture ! With all the hybridizing that Oaks do I still place my bet on an Oak, but Daygan should know what it is with his knowledge of Oaks so I will wait for his more learned answer.

ed

 

[thumblessprimate1]

More pics if it'll help yall. No acorn attached.

 

[Eric Group]

Deff looks like JM to me.

Hope he makes it!

I came to my Mother's house this weekend and had a nice surprise waiting for me! I planted a bunch of JM seeds last year and only a few made it, but I had SWARMS of Red Maples popping up in any nook or cranny with some dirt! I constantly trade plants with my Mother- a master Gardener who has a couple Bonsai we have developed together- and last year I gave her a Red Maple (Acer Rubrum) that volunteered in one of the pots I had tried to do some JM in last year. The JM seeds never popped, but the Red Maple grew well, so... Long story short, I came to her house and she asked me about the seedlings popping up in the Red Maple's pot- Four little JMs popped up THIS year! From the seeds planted Spring of last year... I was shocked! We moved them to their own pots and I will get to take two home with me! So, my success rate was a little higher than I thought last year! LOL

 

[thumblessprimate1]

It's alive! And definitely a Japanese maple. Not sure if it'll ever have a future as bonsai, but I decided to wire it anyways. It started to really take off mid spring.

 

[sorce]

Hoping that this thread will have many follow ups.

Don't go taking awAy hope for this things future already!

It's pretty....keep growing!

Sorce

 

[Potawatomi13]

It's alive! And definitely a Japanese maple. Not sure if it'll ever have a future as bonsai, but I decided to wire it anyways. It started to really take off mid spring.

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Pretty good growth. Now needs much bigger growing pot/space. Considering health and species could even slip pot now with a little protection afterwards.

 

[0soyoung]

Pretty good growth. Now needs much bigger growing pot/space. Considering health and species could even slip pot now with a little protection afterwards.

Nah. It will just take more time to get roots 'established' which must happen before thickening will start. Don't slip up until the pot is root populated - this can be done anytime.

btw, I am very curious how trees 'know' how big they are. Seedlings don't have adult sized leaves. Various different things happen depending upon how confined/unconfined the roots are. How do they 'know'?

 

[thumblessprimate1]

I'll repot next year. I'm told by growers that you can't be certain of leaf shape and color on seedlings until they're 2 years old. Leaves look so different this year from last year.

 

[AlainK]

I'll repot next year. I'm told by growers that you can't be certain of leaf shape and color on seedlings until they're 2 years old. Leaves look so different this year from last year.

Firsty, seeds from a cultivar are often different from the parent tree if the seeds didn't grow in a controlled environment, the maples of the same series hybridize very easily. That's why there are hundreds of registered cultivars. An unusal seedling, or a cutting from a witch-broom can lead to a new cultivar, there are tens each year now. I've got a couple of such strains, but nothing as spectacular as to register them.

But, wow! You're using Roundup, this carcinogenic pollutant that is responsible for the disappearance of bees and buttreflies? In a few years'time, you'll have to use synthetic grass, lots of (oh, my God!) underpaid illegal Hispanic immigrants to fertilize your orchards like they do now in China, but fortunately, fracking is allowed where you live. For the benefit of the people and the preservation of nature (that's ironic ).

 

[Starfox]

If I want to use roundup I need to take a 50 hour course, in Spanish. Absolutely ridiculous it is considering the amount of weeds we have but it can still be brought online for now. Guess I'm breaking the law owning some.

 

[thumblessprimate1]

Firsty, seeds from a cultivar are often different from the parent tree if the seeds didn't grow in a controlled environment, the maples of the same series hybridize very easily. That's why there are hundreds of registered cultivars. An unusal seedling, or a cutting from a witch-broom can lead to a new cultivar, there are tens each year now. I've got a couple of such strains, but nothing as spectacular as to register them.

But, wow! You're using Roundup, this carcinogenic pollutant that is responsible for the disappearance of bees and buttreflies? In a few years'time, you'll have to use synthetic grass, lots of (oh, my God!) underpaid illegal Hispanic immigrants to fertilize your orchards like they do now in China, but fortunately, fracking is allowed where you live. For the benefit of the people and the preservation of nature (that's ironic ).

About maple cultivars and seedlings, I knew all that.

All of 2nd paragraph, not sure if you just want to get something off your chest?

 

[AlainK]

... not sure if you just want to get something off your chest?

Off my chest?

Well, that's flabbergasting....

I'm not poisoning the earth, I care for the future generations (I have children), I try to preserve the environment and just try to point out that many, most of the chemicals that are used to try and control nature is a collective suicide.

And I have wild flowers and insects in my garden, and birds, and occasinal hedgehogs.

I just can't believe some are so short-sighted. Just for a very few ones to make money at the expense of the 99%.

http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-abcarian-bees-almonds-20160226-column.html
http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/monsanto-killing-bees/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate
etc.