Root Prune or be patient?!

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I have a feeling I know what you are going to say, but what do I know? That's why I'm asking!

It's coming to the end of summer here and the Ligustrum I recently acquired is severely root bound. (IMO)

My question is, do I sort now before it goes dormant or should I wait until the energy is transferred back out of the roots just before Spring.

Pictures attached. Thank you in advance.
 

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I am a physical sciences guy. What is this 'energy' you refer to?

To me energy in trees is carbohydrates produced in the leaves by photosynthesis. These get used and stored by living cells throughout the tree. Trees are not potatoes.

But more to your question, all those white ends tell you that the roots are growing and that your tree presently has a high capacity to (re-)grow roots. So now would be a good time to comb them out and prune them so your ligustrum will grow more vigorously afterward. The possible issue is that cutting all those roots will seriously limit the water supply to the leaves that is needed to transport water and minerals essential to photosynthesis. So the leaves can and do respond by closing their stomata to slow down the rate of transpiration. Ligustrum has waxy-leaves and will effectively do this, unlike maples, say, that lack the waxy cuticle and will continue loosing significant moisture through the leaf surfaces. Still, if new growth is not extending, one can repot maples now but will need to sprinkle to the foliage from time-to-time through the day for a week or two.

Trees and roots harden to cold by being exposed to temperatures dipping below freezing overnight and then colder over the span of weeks, like what usually happens in fall. During the 4 or so weeks it takes for the roots to recover, they are vulnerable to hard freezing (soil temperatures below something like 20F/-5C say). Hence one should should not repot any later than about 4 weeks before the first frost date in their location. You are in the vicinity of Leeds is USDA zone 9a, so I think you can safely repot until at least mid-Oct and probably mid-Nov, in this respect.

New growth extends by water being osmotically drawn into the vacuoles of new cells --> in other words, it requires a lot of water. So root pruning is not advisable when new growth is pushing/extending.

Assuming your ligustrum is NOT pushing new shoots presently, now is a good time to repot, IMHO. The way I suggest that you do it is
  1. cut the bottom 25% to 33% of the root-substrate 'plug' off - pruning scissors should do the job, but one can also use a saw
  2. loosen the roots from the perimeter of the plug and prune away the loose ends
  3. comb the substrate/soil from the roots, roughly one-inch into the plug from its sides, using a root hook or chopstick.
  4. turn the pot upside down and sit your tree on it. Use this as the template to cut the roots stick out of the combed perimeter. If the plug is bigger than the base of the pot, repeat step 3 until it is about the same size or a smidge smaller, then prune the roots that you've combed out.
  5. put the trimmed plug aside after spraying it with water or dunking it in water or covering it with a damp towel, so as to keep the roots moist.
  6. clean your pot, replace the drain screens if needed, and thread in new wires to hold your plant.
  7. put new substrate in the bottom of the pot to the depth that is needed for your tree to be properly potted - sit the tree in the pot and confirm.
  8. set the tree aside and make a peaked pile of the substrate in the pot, centered.
  9. put your tree on top and wiggle it back and forth while forcing it downward (hands on the plug!) until it again sets at the proper height
  10. loosely twist down the wires and make any fine adjustments in the tree's position in the pot before twisting the wires down tight.
    1. grasp the twist with pliers, pull up and release the tension as you twist down - rinse and repeat until the tree doesn't wiggle in the pot.
  11. progressively fill the perimeter with substrate, occasionally thrusting your chopstick toward the bottom of the pot and wiggling it so that the grains fill all the spaces around the roots.
  12. water, put your tree back where it is normally kept and patiently be alert to any adverse signs (droopy foliage, for example). You should only need to be patient while keeping it properly watered (a big less than was usual before).
The last thing I wish to say, is that one can kill an evergreen tree just as easily (or maybe even more so) in spring as after the passage of the summer solstice. The key is not overdoing the root work, regardless of when you choose to repot.
 
@0soyoung thank you for your detailed response!

With regards to the 'energy' I just mean stored nutrients... During winter trees store nutrients/energy in their roots so my assumption was that I'd be effectively cutting the energy off the tree? See below for an excerpt I found online

"When the buds are dormant, the roots are also dormant. During this time the tree can be lifted from the ground or its current pot, bare rooted if necessary and repotted.

However, during this time, rootpruning will remove some of the stored energy of the tree and this will affect the growth rate of the tree during the forthcoming growing season. Any damage to the roots (either accidental tears, wounds or pruning cuts) will not be repaired until the roots are more active, leaving the possibility of dieback, loss of the root or even the possibility of infection to the site."


So by the sounds of what you said, I only need to worry about damage due to frost, which won't happen where I am for a while, plus the tree is kept indoors. And if the roots only take 4-6 weeks to recover I should be good to go?

And then in spring it can focus on new growth rather than recovering from the root Prune.

I don't think in needs a new pot. Just space to breath down below!

Thanks again
 
My experience supports autumn root pruning for ligustrum, at least in this area. Our club regularly collects privets which are environmental weeds here. We dig any time in spring (even if they are growing) and from the end of summer through to winter. Those collected trees all have far greater root reduction than you will be game to do and the vast majority survive.
Just because someone has posted something on the internet does not make it true. I've always had a problem understanding the concept of energy (or nutrients) stored in roots in winter. As mentioned, plants store what they need in all tissues so there is just as much in the trunk and branches as in the roots.
If you actually watch what really happens you will soon notice that our bonsai actually grow better and faster following a repot because there is fresh potting mix, nutrients and room for new roots to grow. Some species require more care but ligustrum is tough and resilient and I suspect it would tolerate root pruning at any time of year.

BTW. Your picture suggests the tree is not actually severely root bound. That looks like normal roots for the end of summer. You will probably find that a healthy young tree will produce roots like that every year. It should have no real problem waiting for spring if you choose to follow the traditional timing and repot then.
 
My experience supports autumn root pruning for ligustrum, at least in this area. Our club regularly collects privets which are environmental weeds here. We dig any time in spring (even if they are growing) and from the end of summer through to winter. Those collected trees all have far greater root reduction than you will be game to do and the vast majority survive.
Just because someone has posted something on the internet does not make it true. I've always had a problem understanding the concept of energy (or nutrients) stored in roots in winter. As mentioned, plants store what they need in all tissues so there is just as much in the trunk and branches as in the roots.
If you actually watch what really happens you will soon notice that our bonsai actually grow better and faster following a repot because there is fresh potting mix, nutrients and room for new roots to grow. Some species require more care but ligustrum is tough and resilient and I suspect it would tolerate root pruning at any time of year.

BTW. Your picture suggests the tree is not actually severely root bound. That looks like normal roots for the end of summer. You will probably find that a healthy young tree will produce roots like that every year. It should have no real problem waiting for spring if you choose to follow the traditional timing and repot then.
Thank you for the contribution and giving me more confidence with this!

I'm probably going to do the root prune... 1. Because I'm impatient (just being honest) 2. The current quality of soil is poor and 3. Because I want to learn, I'm sure I'll live to tell the tale.

I hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings :oops:
 
Thank you for the contribution and giving me more confidence with this!

I'm probably going to do the root prune... 1. Because I'm impatient (just being honest) 2. The current quality of soil is poor and 3. Because I want to learn, I'm sure I'll live to tell the tale.

I hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings :oops:
I’m all for it lol - I have to admit, I had no idea that ligustrum was able to be kept indoors. That definitely changes things. Go for it 👍
I’m impatient as well, it’s my improvement area lol
 
and 3. Because I want to learn

By all means, do what you will with your trees :)

I just want to point out that either way, this point is true: learn what happens if you root prune this species out of season or learn what happens if you don't ;)

Generally in these situations where I learn something either way, I lean towards more conservative. You know, unless I'm also being impatient :D

Good luck with whatever you choose...I hope it works out well for you!
 
Update: I went away for 5 days, watered (dunked) all the trees before I left... Every tree showed great new growth apart from the Ligustrum! The leaves had all dried up and falling off. Guessing it was something to do with the roots so did I root prune with new soil immediately following @0soyoung steps (thank you)

I'm seeing it as a good thing because I can now see the branches properly and get a better idea on its shape. Also discovered a big root that id prefer to be exposed.

There were the odd few new buds so I'm hopeful.
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something to do with the roots

I reckon they just used all the water that fast, that's a lotta root!

Nice job, though I think you could have trimmed it right back to the square shape. It will bounce back better now with more Roots, just may have to Repot again in a year or 2.

Sorce
 
I don't think that roots' growing season necessarily matches the bud/leaf growing season. I think they grow almost continuously, slowing down when conditions are poorer and speeding up when conditions are better. There are moisture conditions that increase or decrease the solubility of compounds in the media, and there are temperature limits that the plants cells can operate within. Any time the total conditions are within those windows of better conditions, the roots grow. They grow slower at the upper and lower limits, and faster when conditions are more ideal. Plants can slow down and stop dead in a drought and restart quickly when moisture returns, and they do the same in winter. There's usually a long period of slow change of conditions in autumn and early winter, and the same slow path of change of conditions in reverse in late winter and spring. Lots of plants do lots of grow "out of season" in winter, like tulips, and lots of plants do no growing at all "in season", again like tulips in summer. Roots are adventitious, where and when they grow.

As to when to repot, people have reported here on this site repotting in every conceivable season and in almost every kind of circumstance so it could be said that repotting has been successful, and unsuccessful, in every season, too.
 
Wouldn't the same answer apply to anything that ends in "or be patient"?
 
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