Pine to learn on

[RickMartin]

I purchased this loblolly pine to practice on while i save up for a good JBP. Figuered for the price it would be good learning stock. The tree has a 2.5" trunk at the base and is approximately 7ft tall right now. During dormancy i will chop the trunk, and grow a new leader. One the trunk pic you can see it throws buds on old wood but theres not enough light for them to survive. Not counting on it but hopefully after trunk chop it will throw some buds down there. Now for the pics.

Rick

 

[Adair M]

Is loblolly a single flush or double flush pine?

If single flush, it won't teach you anything about JBP.

The best way to learn about JBP is to buy one of George Muranaka's JBP he sells on eBay. He starts them in the ground, so there's a decent 1 1/2 inch trunk, he's done the chop, he grows them so that there's decent low branches, he's got them started in bonsai soil.

For $125 or so, they're tough to beat!

 

[jcrossett]

Is loblolly a single flush or double flush pine?

If single flush, it won't teach you anything about JBP.

The best way to learn about JBP is to buy one of George Muranaka's JBP he sells on eBay. He starts them in the ground, so there's a decent 1 1/2 inch trunk, he's done the chop, he grows them so that there's decent low branches, he's got them started in bonsai soil.

For $125 or so, they're tough to beat!

Link ?

 

[RickMartin]

I dont know theres not much info on them. The candles are just needling out on this one. I got is one for 25.00 so im not out too much. Last time i looked i didnt see anyrhing that had any potential that i liked. Alot of straight trunks.
At least on his ebay site anyway.

Rick

 

[Adair M]

Link ?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/191750824381

This is the only one in that price range right now. He usually has 3 or 4. He has some more expensive ones available.

 

[RickMartin]

Is loblolly a single flush or double flush pine?

If single flush, it won't teach you anything about JBP.

The best way to learn about JBP is to buy one of George Muranaka's JBP he sells on eBay. He starts them in the ground, so there's a decent 1 1/2 inch trunk, he's done the chop, he grows them so that there's decent low branches, he's got them started in bonsai soil.

For $125 or so, they're tough to beat!

It is a double flush pine. Just found the info.

Rick

 

[Adair M]

I dont know theres not much info on them. The candles are just needling out on this one. I got is one for 25.00 so im not out too much. Last time i looked i didnt see anyrhing that had any potential that i liked. Alot of straight trunks.
At least on his ebay site anyway.

Rick

And your loblolly trunk has a lot of movement?

 

[RickMartin]

Up a little futher from the pic i took it moves to the left. I bought it just to learn on so i dont have to take a expensive tree to the burn pile if i mess it up.

Rick

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

You can treat it like a JBP. Your challenge will be to get any foliage to work with that is emerging close to the trunk.

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/191750824381

This is the only one in that price range right now. He usually has 3 or 4. He has some more expensive ones available.

Do this.

 

[jcrossett]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/191750824381

This is the only one in that price range right now. He usually has 3 or 4. He has some more expensive ones available.

Thanks that guy has some good stuff great find and thanks following him now.

 

[jcrossett]

You can treat it like a JBP. Your challenge will be to get any foliage to work with that is emerging close to the trunk.

This helped me alot. I bought a few nursery stock jbp 2 years ago. Planted them into the ground and a 5gallon pot. Then let them grow and first of the spring once I seen the buds emerging I cut back alot to get back budding. This is a good video on 2 flush pines.

 

[jcrossett]

Or this one.

 

[RickMartin]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/191750824381

This is the only one in that price range right now. He usually has 3 or 4. He has some more expensive ones available.

I will keep watching his ebay page.when i find one i like i will pull the trigger on it. In the mean time i can still learn alot from this tree. Practice wiring, just keeping it alive, things like that.

Rick

 

[Adair M]

Ryan knows his stuff.

But when starting off, it's SO MUCH EASIER AND FASTER to start with something that has been raised with the express purpose of making it into a bonsai.

You don't have to "put it in the ground for two years", then cut it back and hope you get back budding where you want it.

George Muranaka has already done all that. Now, you can start with the fun stuff: decandling, wiring, needle pulling... Rather than, planting in the ground, fertilizing, waiting, watering, waiting, fertilize some more, wait, water, dig back up, wait for a year for it to adjust to bring in a pot, and THEN cut back and hope for good backbudding???

Believe me, the extra $100 bucks is worth it!

 

[RickMartin]

I chopped this tree down to around the 2' mark because i thought i was going to have to move again, and it wouldnt fit in my SUV. It threw buds everywhere. Actually think im going to get a second flush this year

Rick

 

[augustine]

For the guy in Maryland: Go to Meehan's Miniatures and find some Japanese Black Pines. they have very nice stock and very reasonable prices.

 

[YukiShiro]

Hello,

I had a lob lolly and it flushed 3 times for me during the growing season. lost it due to a too aggressive re potting. they don't like the re potting thing. got the needles down from normal to 1 1/2 ". They back bud on the trunk if pruned really hard...if I should prune a black pine like that it would die

Best regards
herman

 

[RickMartin]

If i cut this back can i get some buds lower on the trunk or will i have to graft

Herman thanks for your advice.

Rick

 

[RickMartin]

Hello,

I had a lob lolly and it flushed 3 times for me during the growing season. lost it due to a too aggressive re potting. they don't like the re potting thing. got the needles down from normal to 1 1/2 ". They back bud on the trunk if pruned really hard...if I should prune a black pine like that it would die

Best regards
herman

How should i handle repotting..take a 1/4 of the root ball off at a time each repot.

Rick