Pine Id ?

[doc spring _work]

So, family recently moved into a new house and they've started pulling some of the random plants the last homeowners threw in the ground (particularly in the garden beds, it's a mess) anyways, they cut the hell out of this pine and didn't wait like a I pled with them so idk if it'll survive,

Thought it was pinus nigra but it seems way too flexible..

Photo of the bark, I'll get a photo of the full tree although again... Not super confident in survival just due to the massive amount of hack and slash my family subjected it to.. might make a cute tree one day, assuming it survives and God forbid... Back buds.

 

[BrightsideB]

Do you ID just based on bark? Needle length and number of needles coming out of a fascicle is going to be more helpful.

 

[Paradox]

Yea we need more than just the bark.
How many needles per fascicle?
Post pictures of the whole tree and close up of the end of a branch so we can see the needles

 

[MrFancyPlants]

How about this 3 needle “rescue”?

 

[doc spring _work]

Definitely should have waited until the morning for this post, I was up late but it was still dark out, here's the needles and the (sad) state of the tree, like I said I thought it was pinus nigra, long course needles, possibly commonly planted in California? Last homeowners were vacationers from cali. (Excuse the mess, potted with perlite and toped it with sand to weigh the perlite down)

 

[penumbra]

I agree with your Austrian Pine assessment.

 

[doc spring _work]

I agree with your Austrian Pine assessment.

Thanks, it was just oddly flexible and the bark seemed a little odd, maybe some strange variety, here's to hoping I can recover it and make it into something

 

[PA_Penjing]

Austrian pine is a good first guess, it's used extensively near me in landscaping. unfortunately they all seem to be dying quickly here. The species likes cold winters and cool/warm summers.

 

[doc spring _work]

Austrian pine is a good first guess, it's used extensively near me in landscaping. unfortunately they all seem to be dying quickly here. The species likes cold winters and cool/warm summers

Fortunately we get both in Utah... Which removes a ton of great materials but hey... Plenty of landscape trees to attempt to convert! And the sage it to die for

 

[Wulfskaar]

My Austrian Black Pines are doing just fine here in southern CA.

My first thought when I saw this was Pinus radiata, Monterey Pine, but that's probably wrong.

 

[Shibui]

Appears to be a 2 needle species and the needles appear relatively thick and coarse.
P. radiata mostly has 3 needles per fascicle and usually long and thin.
P. nigra is definitely a 2 needles pine and has thicker needles so fits so far. I was not aware that P. nigra is less flexible than any other sp. Certainly wouldn't use flexibility as a measure for ID.
Bark may still be young and/or less developed because it was protected from the weather in the weeds. P. nigra winter buds have some diagnostic features that may help differentiate so see what it looks like in winter.

 

[PA_Penjing]

Fortunately we get both in Utah... Which removes a ton of great materials but hey... Plenty of landscape trees to attempt to convert! And the sage it to die for

No way, you can do larch, fir, spruce, doug fir, juniper and most pine species. I'm totally jealous. especially if it's arid or "continental" where you are. I live in a part of the country that gets hot in the summer, cold in the winter and tends to be humid, with rainfall year round. I can "grow" a lot of things but there is always some aspect that needs consideration/disease or temperature that troublesome. I'm koppen-gieger climate type Cfa. So I'm similar to the coast of china and japan but those areas don't get nearly as cold as it does here. I've never done research on Utah's climate but I'd put money on it being similar to quite a few places on earth with great species. Maybe i'm just jealous because conifers don't thrive or really even exist in the Lehigh valley where I am.

 

[doc spring _work]

No way, you can do larch, fir, spruce, doug fir, juniper and most pine species. I'm totally jealous. especially if it's arid or "continental" where you are. I live in a part of the country that gets hot in the summer, cold in the winter and tends to be humid, with rainfall year round. I can "grow" a lot of things but there is always some aspect that needs consideration/disease or temperature that troublesome. I'm koppen-gieger climate type Cfa. So I'm similar to the coast of china and japan but those areas don't get nearly as cold as it does here. I've never done research on Utah's climate but I'd put money on it being similar to quite a few places on earth with great species. Maybe i'm just jealous because conifers don't thrive or really even exist in the Lehigh valley where I am.

Definitely aird, the soil is generally basic but your right... I have plenty of conifers to play with, I just adore deciduous species

 

[Wulfskaar]

No way, you can do larch, fir, spruce, doug fir, juniper and most pine species. I'm totally jealous. especially if it's arid or "continental" where you are. I live in a part of the country that gets hot in the summer, cold in the winter and tends to be humid, with rainfall year round. I can "grow" a lot of things but there is always some aspect that needs consideration/disease or temperature that troublesome. I'm koppen-gieger climate type Cfa. So I'm similar to the coast of china and japan but those areas don't get nearly as cold as it does here. I've never done research on Utah's climate but I'd put money on it being similar to quite a few places on earth with great species. Maybe i'm just jealous because conifers don't thrive or really even exist in the Lehigh valley where I am.

I can't grow things like Larch that require cold, and trees like Japanese Maples have added difficulty in my area. But, I have a longer growing period and don't have to worry about overwintering, so I guess there are trade-offs for each zone.

 

[Potawatomi13]

Considering terminal bud. needle color, some needle twisting and limberness of branches my vote is for Lodgepole pine. Could also be close cousin coast(or contorta) pine. Might have suggested Scots pine except for no orangeness in bark of trees trunk. A question please, are needle tips pointed/sharp or more rounded?

 

[doc spring _work]

Considering terminal bud. needle color, some needle twisting and limberness of branches my vote is for Lodgepole pine. Could also be close cousin coast(or contorta) pine. Might have suggested Scots pine except for no orangeness in bark of trees trunk. A question please, are needle tips pointed/sharp or more rounded?

Not all that sharp, I was at the nursery yesterday and stopped by the scots pine, needle is similar although longer and thicker, coarseness definitely matches.

 

[Potawatomi13]

JBP has fairly sharp needles(not stabby sharp, just pointy) but lodgepole is slightly less pointy and somewhat twisty.

 

[tanlu]

My 2 cents, just based on the characteristics and color of the young bark, I’m 99% sure it’s not an US east coast species of pine, JBP, or JRP.