Penjing
- Thread starter irene_b
- Start date
BONSAI_OUTLAW
Banned
I have been buyng some books on landscapes, but have yet to attempt one at this time. I am looking forward to it however.
BONSAI_OUTLAW
Banned
lol....I don't believe you...put up or shut up...lol
Chris Johnston
Omono
Technically, this is a saikei, not a penjing.
BONSAI_OUTLAW
Banned
Thank you for the pic of the not penjing thing. I like it whatever it is called. Chris....Can you please tell us the difference?
Chris Johnston
Omono
Saikei is a Japanese landscape representation, usually not involving mud figures. Penjing is the Chinese root of the bonsai tradition, and as such has its own display ethos. Mud figures may be featured in penjing, which could be a very detailed landscape or a single tree.
Chris Johnston
Omono
Sorry, Irene, didn't mean to be a little thundercloud.
LOL where is the clayman or mudhouse!
And it did start out with just 1 one the left in the hole I made in the rawk.....
Then Andy took over.
Mom
BONSAI_OUTLAW
Banned
Then where does "Ho Non Bo" fit in?
Behr
Yamadori
I would like to add an opinion only in hopes of furthering a discussion on the subject, and certainly NOT as a proper definition of any of the terms...
In a 'penjing landscape' [there are many forms of penjing other than landscape], stones are often used as not only a means of containing the soil but as 'points of interest' to aid in 'painting an image'...There are also penjing landscape forms that are stones only [no trees] and trees only [no stones]...Mud figures are not a requirement, but are often used to help with the illusion of scale or to convey the essence of a particular place or theme...From the Chinese perspective it is much more important to convey a 'feeling' or relate a 'story', than it is to follow pre-conceived 'guidelines' of what is accepted or not accepted...There is much more freedom of expression in the work, and even the design of the trees shows more freedom...
The 'saikei' form was originally conceived to use material that was in development and in need of more growth to create a 'landscape' which could be proudly displayed in ones garden, as the trees were being developed...The stones of a well designed saikei will be equally important, if not more so, than the trees...Mud figures are seldom used, and even considered undesirable...Saikei deals more in character with representing 'nature without the evidence of man'...
'Hon Non Bo' from the Vietnamese culture usually features the stone or 'mountain'...The trees serve the purpose of accent or a device to emphasize scale...These plantings are usually displayed in a shallow tray filled with water to represent the familiar 'mountains in the sea' rock formations found in the area...Mud figures are sometimes used, again to help with the illusion of scale...
I hope others will also share their opinions and knowledge on this subject so we all may learn...I was not born into any of these cultures, nor have I been educated in them, however I do have an interest in learning the intricate details of each form, in order that my own designs can be better...By better understanding all forms of 'artistically potted trees' we should become more versatile in designing our own creations...
Regards
Behr
In a 'penjing landscape' [there are many forms of penjing other than landscape], stones are often used as not only a means of containing the soil but as 'points of interest' to aid in 'painting an image'...There are also penjing landscape forms that are stones only [no trees] and trees only [no stones]...Mud figures are not a requirement, but are often used to help with the illusion of scale or to convey the essence of a particular place or theme...From the Chinese perspective it is much more important to convey a 'feeling' or relate a 'story', than it is to follow pre-conceived 'guidelines' of what is accepted or not accepted...There is much more freedom of expression in the work, and even the design of the trees shows more freedom...
The 'saikei' form was originally conceived to use material that was in development and in need of more growth to create a 'landscape' which could be proudly displayed in ones garden, as the trees were being developed...The stones of a well designed saikei will be equally important, if not more so, than the trees...Mud figures are seldom used, and even considered undesirable...Saikei deals more in character with representing 'nature without the evidence of man'...
'Hon Non Bo' from the Vietnamese culture usually features the stone or 'mountain'...The trees serve the purpose of accent or a device to emphasize scale...These plantings are usually displayed in a shallow tray filled with water to represent the familiar 'mountains in the sea' rock formations found in the area...Mud figures are sometimes used, again to help with the illusion of scale...
I hope others will also share their opinions and knowledge on this subject so we all may learn...I was not born into any of these cultures, nor have I been educated in them, however I do have an interest in learning the intricate details of each form, in order that my own designs can be better...By better understanding all forms of 'artistically potted trees' we should become more versatile in designing our own creations...
Regards
Behr
Bill S
Masterpiece
After seeing the "Alamo "styled ruins, then seeing a TV program about South American ruins, I found a piece that resembles a ruin, that I put a Serrissa on and potted as a root over rock. Hoping it will look like a jungle encrusted old temple. I'll try to set up a photo this weekend.
Similar threads
