Olive Forest
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Chris Johnston
Omono
Andy, I like this tree, thanks for posting it! My one question is that it seems to me a little bit static. It's possible, of course, that a serene mood was the obect fo the artist.
AndyWilson
Mame
I got the same feeling Chris, i think it has something to do with the Crown on this forest, there is something there that isnt quite right. I was hoping by posting some fresh eyes could tell me!
Rick Moquin
Omono
IMO with the varying tree heights the artist could have sculped them individually instead of a whole. The distance between the trees would support this.
Having said that it appears that the trees are almost coming from the same plane, and hence there is no apparent depth to the composition. IMO if you want to create a single canopy, then group the trees together, not planted in more or less a single row.
Having said that it appears that the trees are almost coming from the same plane, and hence there is no apparent depth to the composition. IMO if you want to create a single canopy, then group the trees together, not planted in more or less a single row.
To my untrained eye if there's an issue it's one of perspective.
I think the placement of the "bones" of the tree does a very good job of giving the feeling of depth but for some reason when I get up to the canopy I lose that perception. Perhaps too sudden a height change with the main tree compared to the others?
Also, while the base of the main tree is a bit offset of center it looks like the canopy is smack dab in the middle of the pot. As said before though, this may have been intentional to give a more stable feeling.
With all that said, it's a beautiful composition and I'd be mighty proud to create something like that.
I think the placement of the "bones" of the tree does a very good job of giving the feeling of depth but for some reason when I get up to the canopy I lose that perception. Perhaps too sudden a height change with the main tree compared to the others?
Also, while the base of the main tree is a bit offset of center it looks like the canopy is smack dab in the middle of the pot. As said before though, this may have been intentional to give a more stable feeling.
With all that said, it's a beautiful composition and I'd be mighty proud to create something like that.
pslguy1983
Seedling
Forests are going to be my thing
Sorry so late in the year to answer this but I like this picture as well. good work done here.
See yourself in a forest, would you like to be in one with few trees ? or a little more secluded.
picture forest animals seeking shelter there. would they like it open or a little thicker cover to hide themselves. That's how I answer own questions building a forest.
I have a pic of a forest with 11 trees for my wallpaper.
Sorry so late in the year to answer this but I like this picture as well. good work done here.
See yourself in a forest, would you like to be in one with few trees ? or a little more secluded.
picture forest animals seeking shelter there. would they like it open or a little thicker cover to hide themselves. That's how I answer own questions building a forest.
I have a pic of a forest with 11 trees for my wallpaper.
Ken Duncan
Yamadori
I like this forest the trees have a feeling of age and look very natural. The thing that bothers me the most is that I can not tell the movement of this group. Some trees seem to show movement to the left and some show movement to the right.
I think that there should be a defined movement to the right or the left and the whole group should be planted on the right or the left, not in the middle. Which one looks best?
Ken
I think that there should be a defined movement to the right or the left and the whole group should be planted on the right or the left, not in the middle. Which one looks best?
Ken
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Ken,
That's it, I like that a lot, it is amazing what a pot will do, isn't it?
Great virt,
Will
That's it, I like that a lot, it is amazing what a pot will do, isn't it?
Great virt,
Will
Attila Soos
Omono
A slab is always nice for group planting because it is more effective in creating the feeling of open space.
But that original pot is not too bad. To me, it still does a decent job, although not as original as with a slab.
By the way, those slabs (especially the large ones) are pretty tough to come by.
Can anyone refresh our memories here, as to resourses on how to make those artificial slabs at home? I remember seing instructions in some books and even websites, but I don't remember where.
As an afterthought, I think Su Chin Ee has some instructions in "Creating Bonsai Lanscapes". I am also thinking about going to some of our Lanscaping Stone Yards (places that sell rocks for lanscape contractors) and look for Shale and other type of stratified stones that could do the job. The biggest challenge in that case would be to learn how to cut those stones to the right size and shape, using a chisel and a hammer.
But that original pot is not too bad. To me, it still does a decent job, although not as original as with a slab.
By the way, those slabs (especially the large ones) are pretty tough to come by.
Can anyone refresh our memories here, as to resourses on how to make those artificial slabs at home? I remember seing instructions in some books and even websites, but I don't remember where.
As an afterthought, I think Su Chin Ee has some instructions in "Creating Bonsai Lanscapes". I am also thinking about going to some of our Lanscaping Stone Yards (places that sell rocks for lanscape contractors) and look for Shale and other type of stratified stones that could do the job. The biggest challenge in that case would be to learn how to cut those stones to the right size and shape, using a chisel and a hammer.
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I think Dale Cochoy posted on a how to for the slabs....
If not hopefully he will post one here...
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Rick Moquin
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Colin Lewis
Sue Chin Ee is another source
Sue Chin Ee is another source
... and that is easier said than done. I ruined a few just short of the last few chips. it is definitely an art, you have to understand stones I guess.
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Bob
Mame
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The I.B.C. has an article written by John Quinn about making a concrete slab. Go to www.internetbonsaiclub.org, click on "Knowledge Base" then "Articles and Essays" then "The Art of Bonsai" and finally "Creating cement slabs for group plantings".
The I.B.C. has an article written by John Quinn about making a concrete slab. Go to www.internetbonsaiclub.org, click on "Knowledge Base" then "Articles and Essays" then "The Art of Bonsai" and finally "Creating cement slabs for group plantings".
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Michael Milligan
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Agreed. And the second tree from the left seems to be growing INTO the shadow of the largest.
I don't see that. There are clearly three trees on two other plains behind the major tree. What is hindering the impression of depth is the lack of weight behind the major tree. I crave another branch on the tree behind/left of the main tree (see circled area).
I second that one too.
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I think that the composition feels static because it is so symmetrical. Not just the center planting position within the pot, but the fact that you have a seven tree composition with the tallest tree perfectly in the center with 3 small trees to each side. The smaller trees are even symmetrical in their placement - the first trees next to the center tree are in the back, then two are forward, etc. The foilage is almost a perfect equilateral triangle. It does not look natural to me at all - it looks like a formal English garden instead of a bonsai.
AndyWilson
Mame
Thanks all for the suggestions, i will be seeing the new owner of this composition soon and will put the ideas to her.
BTW a few of the "problem" trees are actually later editions, i am trying to track down an earlier pic where two of the trees were in different positions.
BTW a few of the "problem" trees are actually later editions, i am trying to track down an earlier pic where two of the trees were in different positions.
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Hello Andy... I looked at this forest for a long time and thought I would try to move the trees around some. This may not be achievable for the fact that turning trees around in a 2d perspective is rarely what you get in reality. However the intent was to try a create a little more interest. I have always thought that it is extremely important that a forest have a couple of instances of trunks growing very closely together...for me this creates a more natural feel. Recreating this in a virtual is very difficult and can be a little misleading...but I think something along these lines may be achievable.
John
Hello Andy... I looked at this forest for a long time and thought I would try to move the trees around some. This may not be achievable for the fact that turning trees around in a 2d perspective is rarely what you get in reality. However the intent was to try a create a little more interest. I have always thought that it is extremely important that a forest have a couple of instances of trunks growing very closely together...for me this creates a more natural feel. Recreating this in a virtual is very difficult and can be a little misleading...but I think something along these lines may be achievable.
John
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I concur nice job Ken.
I see the trunks working well with the canopy, as each bends to give it's own canopy an avenue to the light working around the main tree. Shows each trees early struggle to become part of the final forest. Serene is OK. Depth and alignment from the photo are tough to tell but I get a feeling from the trunk movement that they arent set in a single plane.
I see the trunks working well with the canopy, as each bends to give it's own canopy an avenue to the light working around the main tree. Shows each trees early struggle to become part of the final forest. Serene is OK. Depth and alignment from the photo are tough to tell but I get a feeling from the trunk movement that they arent set in a single plane.
