Noob question about hard chopping japanese maple

Pigskin Pete

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The local nursery stocked up some Japanese maples recently and I've been taking a look at what they got.

I see no saplings. Instead, they have several maples in what looks to be 3 or 5 gallon pots and which have trunks roughly 1.5 -2 inches in diameter. They appear to be between 5-7 feet tall. A few had small sprouts near the base. They cost roughly $130 and clearly look designed to be planted in a yard. Some seem young enough to have bendy, less woody trunks and some are thin yet hardened, if that makes sense.

Can I buy one of these and hard chop it below any branches and any foliage? Will it backbud or would the stress of losing the entire canopy kill the tree?

How do I get started with a Japanese maple bonsai?
 
The ones at the nursery are almost certainly grafted so picking one that has a well done graft is a big deal. I would watch you tube videos or read more on this site. Most likely the tree would grow back if you hard chop it.
 
The ones at the nursery are almost certainly grafted so picking one that has a well done graft is a big deal. I would watch you tube videos or read more on this site. Most likely the tree would grow back if you hard chop it.
To add to this, it’s critical to chop above the graft! Otherwise, you’ll be getting a normal Japanese maple, rather than the cultivar you paid for.

Which on the topic of the species plant (i.e. non-cultivar), it is pretty likely that a beginner might have better luck and enjoyment of the species, as it is much stronger. There are many cultivars specifically for bonsai, but you likely won’t find them at a landscape nursery.

I see you are located in North Texas. I’m not sure how Japanese maples do there, but they may not be an ideal fit for your climate without some extra effort. Worth consulting people more local to that region, many of whom are active on here and can advise.
 
Japanese maple readily air layer. Instead of one tree for $130 you can have a few trees. In my area it's better started in June.

Honestly, I buy the small Japanese maples at my local nursery. They're $12-20 and have terrible grafts but you can beat them up for a bit. Big chain stores usually won't have them like that.
 
I see you are located in North Texas. I’m not sure how Japanese maples do there, but they may not be an ideal fit for your climate without some extra effort. Worth consulting people more local to that region, many of whom are active on here and can advise.
Yes, that is always a concern of mine. Some of the neighbors and others around town have beautiful full grown maples in their yards which to my novice eye appear to be relatively old(ish) and healthy, so I'm optimistic. I don't doubt modifications need be made to deal either the brutal mid-summer sun here.

I will start learning more about how to identify grafts. I will also take an even closer look at the nursery for smaller maples as another poster graciously suggested. I may seem odd but I might just go to someone working there and ask do they have smaller, crappier versions of these trees somewhere in the nursery.
 
Agree that buyers should be aware of grafted and seed grown maples but if you just want a Japanese maple and are not concerned about the cultivar you can just chop. Whether paying the price for a grafted specimen then chopping the top off is good is another question altogether. It's likely you can find seed grown generic or 'green' Japanese maples at lower prices if you look around.

Japanese maples will usually sprout new shoots when chopped below the existing branches, especially younger trees as these are likely to be. Occasionally a JM just decides not to sprout afgter a chop. Sometimes part of a trunk will die back after a chop. It's not common but can happen.
The older the tree and the thicker the trunk the greater the possibility of failure.

I may seem odd but I might just go to someone working there and ask do they have smaller, crappier versions of these trees somewhere in the nursery.
In the old days it was common to have a reject area. You may find smaller family run nurseries that either grow their own stock or keep rejects in case they grow better next year but more and more retail nurseries just buy in stock from specialist growers in which case they don't receive small, crappy trees. Space is also money so trees that don't sell quick are soon relegated to the dumpster to make way for stock that will produce turnover. It's just how the industry is moving now.

Good luck finding JM in your area.
 
Yes, that is always a concern of mine. Some of the neighbors and others around town have beautiful full grown maples in their yards which to my novice eye appear to be relatively old(ish) and healthy, so I'm optimistic. I don't doubt modifications need be made to deal either the brutal mid-summer sun here.

I will start learning more about how to identify grafts. I will also take an even closer look at the nursery for smaller maples as another poster graciously suggested. I may seem odd but I might just go to someone working there and ask do they have smaller, crappier versions of these trees somewhere in the nursery.
The short answer to the question of chopping them is it's done all the time. That's how we make bonsai for the most part. Chopping a trunk typically produces a large flush of growth below the chop, Canopies on newly bought trees are a distraction, they don't really matter, neither does the original height of the tree for the most part unless it offers something like decent taper or considerable visual "movement" that can be incorporated into a final design. Those characteristics usually don't exist in stock landscape saplings though. What you're looking for is a decent root spread at the surface and the initial six to 12 inches of lower trunk. Everything else is going to be replaced. Don't get hung up on existing canopies. Look at the lower trunk and initial root spread.

That said, in Texas Japanese Maple as bonsai can be problematic--heat, sun and dryness are the issues. While there may be landscape JMs in Dallas, it depends on WHAT VARIETY they are and WHERE THEY'RE planted. My aunt and uncle have an old JM in the their front yard, but it's in open shade from tall bull pines all day and has been since they planted it. Full Texas sun in August can fry many varieties of JM. Heck some varieties here in Va. get cooked by August. You can find dozens of them in the sale areas comes August because they look awful with dried out leaves. People think they're dead, so the nursery puts them on sale to get rid of them so they won't have to overwinter them. They're not dead, though. Threadleaf and laceleaf cultivars, since they have extremely thin leaves, are notorious for burning up in the summer sun.

It is critical to give JMs at least afternoon shade in hotter climates. Unlike big dominant forest trees like oak, beech, etc. JMs are mostly understory trees, used to growing in open shade in their original habitat in Japan. As bonsai all that becomes even more important, since pots can get very hot in summer and roots suffer, leaves turn brown and crispy.

Having a heat tolerant cultivar can help things along. There are several --here's a list.

As for the graft, those are usually two to four inches above the root crown in most landscape maples. Sometimes they are quite noticeable and produce odd-looking swelling, a sudden "neck up" in trunk diameter a few inches above the soil line is a typical give-away, as are differing bark color/texture. Those differences get worse over time, which is not really a big deal for landscape trees, but since bonsai relies on the lower trunk as a visual anchor, it can make a huge difference.

Bottom line, if you can't determine the exact variety, get one and see what you can do and how it performs in your yard. It's a leap of faith you sometimes have to make. Experience is the best teacher. I wouldn't do much of anything to it for a year except keep it alive and healthy. Next year you might start working on it. BTW, if it's not labeled, you're probably not going to find out exactly what it is, unless the nursery owner is knowledgeable about what they're selling and can recall what they are.
 
There are a few people successfully growing JM in Houston (I'm not one of them), but N Texas is definitely possible with correct care. Which is the case with any tree.

The fact they grow well in ground but difficult as bonsai tells me it's a lot about root temperature, so perhaps a deeper pot than "popular" will yield better results.
 
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