Newbie needing insight into Bonsai

Lonefrog

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Hey there everyone...I've been lurking for a good while and finally decided to register an account and hopefully get some advice.
This a question mostly for those of you that have reached year 2 or 3 and beyond in this hobby. I have over the past months become fascinated with the world of tiny trees and being a glutton for information I have read incredible amounts. I have also visited a local bonsai nursery (well, it was a bit over an hour drive) and spent serious time there talking to the proprietor and his wife who were both very helpful and knowledgeable. What a beautiful place to go to work!
It may seem like a bit of an expensive step for someone who was in the early stages of exposure but I have purchased and read both of John Naka's Technique books (mostly because I had a unique opportunity to examine them before purchase) and have bought and read Peter Warren's DK branded book.
Here's my question: I am someone who typically bores easily with a subject and moves on to something new within 3-4 months. I often wish I wasn't this way but it is true more often than not. There are thing in my recreational life that have "stuck" but most fall by the wayside. Please offer your advice based on your experiences with the beginnings of bonsai. What would you say to a fellow like me who is geniunely interested but is afflicted by a terrible intellectual wanderlust?

Primarily I ask because I am at the point where I would need to make more significant financial investments to go any further. (i.e. quality tools, building appropriate work bench, appropriate starting tree stock, various wire and other materials, etc...) The cost have given me pause when I consider my past inclinations toward changing to other subjects of interest.

Thank you all for taking the time to help and I do appreciate the viewpoints of fellow beginners as well despite my intended audience for this question being those who have seen the beginning stages all the way through.
 
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I also have a never ending rotation of hobbies. Thus far, I’ve managed to stick with bonsai for over a year now (this iteration). I did bonsai for a few years back in the 90’s, but didn’t really know much about what I was doing then (I had one guidebook, but didn’t know anyone else in the hobby and the internet was not yet the abundant, easily searchable repository of knowledge that it is now.)

My advice is:
1. Join your local club. Bonsai is both easier to learn and more fun if you know some other people who share your interest.
2. One or two trees is not enough to make bonsai a hobby that occupies enough of your time to keep it interesting. Get several trees so you have things to do while you’re waiting for your other trees to grow and recover from the things you’ve done to them. I have a little over 30 trees now and that feels like about the right balance to me for the moment. They don’t all need to be well-developed bonsai or pre-bonsai material. You can have just as much fun with ordinary nursery trees. I have a few trees that are quality pre-bonsai material, but most of my trees are regular nursery stock.
 
I would suggest you get a tree or three and keep them alive. You don’t need to invest in tools or anything else really, to start. If they die from neglect, you will have your answer. If they are alive in a year, you will have your answer. You might consider getting a couple different species that are known to do well in Georgia. You don’t want to stack the odds against yourself with hard to keep alive trees right of the bat. The nice thing about bonsai is there is lots of down time (until you are a hundred trees deep) in the fall/winter/spring between doing the maintenance the tree requires.
 
I also have a never ending rotation of hobbies. Thus far, I’ve managed to stick with bonsai for over a year now (this iteration). I did bonsai for a few years back in the 90’s, but didn’t really know much about what I was doing then (I had one guidebook, but didn’t know anyone else in the hobby and the internet was not yet the abundant, easily searchable repository of knowledge that it is now.)

My advice is:
1. Join your local club. Bonsai is both easier to learn and more fun if you know some other people who share your interest.
2. One or two trees is not enough to make bonsai a hobby that occupies enough of your time to keep it interesting. Get several trees so you have things to do while you’re waiting for your other trees to grow and recover from the things you’ve done to them. I have a little over 30 trees now and that feels like about the right balance to me for the moment. They don’t all need to be well-developed bonsai or pre-bonsai material. You can have just as much fun with ordinary nursery trees. I have a few trees that are quality pre-bonsai material, but most of my trees are regular nursery stock.
More is better for this hobby, but I would start slow and learn what not to do/buy from your trees/mistakes.
 
Hey there everyone...I've been lurking for a good while and finally decided to register an account and hopefully get some advice.
This a question mostly for those of you that have reached year 2 or 3 and beyond in this hobby. I have over the past months become fascinated with the world of tiny trees and being a glutton for information I have read incredible amounts. I have also visited a local bonsai nursery (well, it was a bit over an hour drive) and spent serious time there talking to the proprietor and his wife who were both very helpful and knowledgeable. What a beautiful place to go to work!
It may seem like a bit of an expensive step for someone who was in the early stages of exposure but I have purchased and read both of John Naka's Technique books (mostly because I had a unique opportunity to examine them before purchase) and have bought and read Peter Warren's DK branded book.
Here's my question: I am someone who typically bores easily with a subject and moves on to something new within 3-4 months. I often wish I wasn't this way but it is true more often than not. There are thing in my recreational life that have "stuck" but most fall by the wayside. Please offer your advice based on your experiences with the beginnings of bonsai. What would you say to a fellow like me who is geniunely interested but is afflicted by a terrible intellectual wanderlust?

Primarily I ask because I am at the point where I would need to make more significant financial investments to go any further. (i.e. quality tools, building appropriate work bench, appropriate starting tree stock, various wire and other materials, etc...) The cost have given me pause when I consider my past inclinations toward changing to other subjects of interest.

Thank you all for taking the time to help and I do appreciate the viewpoints of fellow beginners as well despite my intended audience for this question being those who have seen the beginning stages all the way through.

From my understanding, if you grow it in a pot and keep it alive outside through snow melt next year..you are doing well, this is not much of an investment..
 
The only advice is.. decide whether you want to give this a real try. And then promise yourself to stay with it, no matter what. It is like a marriage really. You ccan stay married to bonsai for the rest of your life. Or you give in to temptation of the flirtations of something else. It is your own choice to do that. Bonsai is not a one year hobby. Growing a bonsai froma decent trunkline takes a decade. So you need to decide whether this is something you want as a hobby.

One a sidenote: You can also just get two or three fairly developed trees to work with. At that point, it will take you the effort to water (But which plants do not require that) and maintain. Maybe Two three sessions a year that you really need to spend time. But the rest of the time they are just decorations in your yard. If you are worried this may be a short stinge.. I would recommend getting two or three nicer trees (They do NOT have to be excessively expensive). Put theem in your garden. And if it is the thing for you, slowly grow deeper into it. If you walk away, you can still sell them (Unless you kill them by then).

Easier plants to keep alive I find are junipers, trident maples and typically, species that are local to your whereabouts.
 
The cost have given me pause when I consider my past inclinations toward changing to other subjects of interest.
I know the feeling.
My past hobbies include,muscle cars,guitars and tournament bass fishing. All very expensive hobbies. In the big scheme of things bonsai isn't that expensive.
What keeps me interested is better trees. As the years go by my trees get better. The ones in my possession and ones I dont have yet. A new better tree is like getting a new guitar or a new rod and reel. Keeps the juices flowing.
I've been at it for a bit now. At first you dont need the best tools nor pots or even trees. As interest grows then you can up your expense.
 
Research a list of suitable trees and shrubs for bonsai. Go searching for affordable stock in nurseries and garden centres and also learn how to propagate stuff. If you kill your first attempt your propagation can act as a fallback. You learn from the mistake and have the opportunity to grow your own custom tree from scratch. All my best trees I've grown myself - cheap & rewarding.
 
I'm rather obsessed so don't ask me
LOL... I sure KNOW that feeling too! LOL...


@Lonefrog
Welcome, and enjoy your stay.
I hear ya about having a few hobbies, as I also have plenty of them too (Bonsai, Hot Rods, Shooting/Teaching Craps, Gardening, Home Projects, etc., etc.).
There's a bunch of good advice above, and what I'd suggest is buying some "Super Sale" material at this point, and work on keeping them alive.
You can find some really good deals as the season winds down. IMHO, there's no sense in spending a ton of money at this point in your Bonsai Journey.

Good Luck,
BigBen
 
Travel? Odd-job hours? Outdoor growing space with good light and airflow? Understanding family? Horticultural experience?

Money? Time? Commitment?

Hobby? Collecting stamps is a hobby. More like a pet that no one else you know has any clue about how to "plant-sit"......:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


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I would advise to get a few trees that can grow locally. Maples, Elms, Oaks etc. that way if you loose interest in them you can always stick them in the ground and have some nice shade trees.
 
pet that no one else you know has any clue about how to "plant-sit"......:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Amen!

@Lonefrog you really ain't lone round here.
Most of us keep pets and Reeftanks etc...other similar "God-playing" all investing hobbies. The ones that need automation for vacation!
Lol...

Vacation automation!

Welcome to Crazy!

Anyway....I am the worst at going all in then getting to a place where I can say.. "I did that" and moving on completely.

I began thinking about my end in this a few years ago..about 3 years in, as fishing daily merged with looking at/for trees riverside. That was a crossroads of sorts.

Recently I realized that I will very well die before this obsession stops offering new discoveries.

A muscle car can only go so fast...
Even fishtank discoveries are limited by an enclosure.

What makes Bonsai so "Forever"...

Is that the discoveries are endless.

Millions of insects....
Hundreds of birds...
Tiny weeds of all sorts...
Mosses....

Besides the tree always changing, which...even the tree has a limit...which can be more or less totally reset every few hundred years or whatever....but there IS a limit...the "finished tree".

But trees/material, for what it's worth to mere humans....also unlimited.
About 8 years in and I still enjoy trees more.
Every tree.

Always a new base...a new beginning.. A new twist...a new tale.

I haven't found a point where this gets old..
And if it does...time moves so much slower observing trees, that by the time you "finish", there are 7 new beginnings, amd everything remains in this state of "able to discover within"....

Forever.

S
 
Amen!

@Lonefrog you really ain't lone round here.
Most of us keep pets and Reeftanks etc...other similar "God-playing" all investing hobbies. The ones that need automation for vacation!
Lol...

Vacation automation!

Welcome to Crazy!

Anyway....I am the worst at going all in then getting to a place where I can say.. "I did that" and moving on completely.

I began thinking about my end in this a few years ago..about 3 years in, as fishing daily merged with looking at/for trees riverside. That was a crossroads of sorts.

Recently I realized that I will very well die before this obsession stops offering new discoveries.

A muscle car can only go so fast...
Even fishtank discoveries are limited by an enclosure.

What makes Bonsai so "Forever"...

Is that the discoveries are endless.

Millions of insects....
Hundreds of birds...
Tiny weeds of all sorts...
Mosses....

Besides the tree always changing, which...even the tree has a limit...which can be more or less totally reset every few hundred years or whatever....but there IS a limit...the "finished tree".

But trees/material, for what it's worth to mere humans....also unlimited.
About 8 years in and I still enjoy trees more.
Every tree.

Always a new base...a new beginning.. A new twist...a new tale.

I haven't found a point where this gets old..
And if it does...time moves so much slower observing trees, that by the time you "finish", there are 7 new beginnings, amd everything remains in this state of "able to discover within"....

Forever.

S


So right! I used to be able to walk through the woods to my tree stand and not be able to tell you a single tree I passed. Now I take plastic bags with me in case I see something crying out to be taken. It takes twice as long to get to my stand and there is no telling how long it will take to get back home. Gotta love nature.
 
You bonsai do yes or you bonsai do no. You bonsai do "guess so" SQUISH just like grape. .....I'm sorry I couldn't resist.
 
Wow! Such a response! (I feel so embraced!)
So many things each of you has said has been very helpful. I feel compelled to proceed with such a wonderful community supporting me. There is a local public bonsai garden near me that I'll be visiting today or tomorrow (they have a 700 year old cypress!) and my eyes will see these trees with renewed vigor thanks to all of you!

@leatherback
I found your analogy to marriage particularly thought-provoking. It is quite clear that your insight has tremendous depth. Thank you.

@Lorax7
Thank you for the suggestions about volume of projects to stay busy. I had not thought of it before.

@TN_Jim @Saddler
Both of you make excellent points that investment CAN be minimal and exploration can continue from the point I am at. "Baby steps" is a solid option! I appreciate you both.

@sorce
Your insight was absolutely poetic! Moving and rich with love for these trees. You are an inspiration to a beginner like me.

@Silentrunning
As I read your comment about trying to reach your tree stand I found myself saying "That's right! It can become so much more activity then just what I can see now. Being involved can fill whole days almost accidentally!" That was more helpful and encouraging than you may have realized. Thank you.

@LanceMac10
To answer your questions:
-I rarely travel (I think I have been away overnight once in the past 5 years)
-My job in a standard 9-5 M-F
-I have wonderful outdoor space with shaded, partial shade, and full sun areas. Airflow is good but there are quite a few trees around me.
-Understanding family is no issue (no wife, no kids. Just me and the dog)
-Horticultral experience is fair to good. I have successfully grown herbs and vegetables is Florida and have had a couple successful flower gardens both here in Georgia and once in Florida. I have not had a container garden before.
-Time? I have no real commitments besides my full time job (I work in HVAC so I have even more time available during the colder months as work is very slow.)
-Money? Plenty (As I mentioned before: no wife...no kids.)
-Commitment? That is the crux of my original question so that is difficult to answer right now.

@Lazylightningny
Hilarious! I laughed out loud!

@M. Frary
We are kindred souls my friend!

@Kendo
Your comment is hauntingly true. Thank you.

@Paulpash
I had not considered the value of propagating on my own until your comment. A whole new skill to read up on! Thank you.

@BigBen
Your comment echoes some of the other's advice. Maybe the right answer is NOT to go full bore at this point. Thank you.

@cheap_walmart_art
Now I have to watch Karate Kid 3 again!

Thanks again to all of you for taking time to write me back!
 
once in the past 5 years)
-My job in a standard 9-5 M-F

Mine is a non-standard 6-x Motherfucker!!
Lol!.and it sometimes..Sucks Shit!

The other day I realized I have been slighlty less happy at work simply becaise I javent been spending enough time looking for bonsai materials....wire....slabs....trees...etc.

Warched the airshow practice from the roof yesterday....perks!20180817_145248.jpg

S
 
We are kindred souls my friend!
Learn to collect trees successfully from the wild if it's near you.
A collected tree can fast track you to great trees with little expense.
If you dont know what you're looking at,take a picture and post it asking what it is. I'll say foemina but there are others that will help for real. Then dig it up. Know what you're digging before you dig it.
So far I've kept my costs low. Cheap ass boards laid across 5 gallon buckets for benches. Napa 8822 for substrate. Tools I won in a contest. Colanders fir a buck each from the dollar store. Annealing my own copper wire.
My best trees I have bought. I save all year long. 5 dollars here 10 there. It adds up over a years time. I didnt buy any this year but did collect a couple nice trees to make up for it.
You can go slow or fast. Fast takes money and isn't necessarily better.
 
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