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So I’m here in NYC I picked up hobby growing figs and randomly amaryllis this year. Bonsai was always the dream, but didn’t know how. Question is it possible for grow indoors and rotate outside when NE weather allows like around April?
 
So I’m here in NYC I picked up hobby growing figs and randomly amaryllis this year. Bonsai was always the dream, but didn’t know how. Question is it possible for grow indoors and rotate outside when NE weather allows like around April?

If you choose the species correctly you can. All trees (in your hardiness zone) would prefer to live outside all the time, but some can get through the winter inside. Others (mostly tropicals) can grow pretty well inside with some supplemental light. Ficus are a pretty safe bet. Sounds like you have some outdoor space so that's good. I'll leave it to the New Yorkers to suggest what other species might be best for you.
 
You are in a zone similar to mine (lower Michigan) so you have lots of options. How much room do you have outside? You will be surprised how hardy conifers are and how rewarding they are to work with.
 
So I’m here in NYC I picked up hobby growing figs and randomly amaryllis this year. Bonsai was always the dream, but didn’t know how. Question is it possible for grow indoors and rotate outside when NE weather allows like around April?
Welcome to the site!

You can definitely do what you are suggesting (rotating trees) when you are keeping tropicals. Heck, I do the same with my tropicals here in NC. However if you want to really enjoy bonsai, I would consider thinking about trees that do well in NYC natively. Then you can keep your bonsai outdoors 24/7, and enjoy your trees as they go through the natural cycle of the seasons.
 
This is to address all of you guys! Space I definitely do. Just need some guide where to get started haha.

Do people mostly buy established trees? Not looking for any exotic but a head start. Seedling I think it will take too long, so what’s the next step! I know for figs, it’s easy to airlayer or grow from cuttings.

Ultimately what I want is a nice small to mid size tree, I want to learn the shaping pruning and etc and just maintain a bonsai after it’s the hobby. I love these shapes! So far juniper trees are really attracting me.
 

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Welcome to the site!

You can definitely do what you are suggesting (rotating trees) when you are keeping tropicals. Heck, I do the same with my tropicals here in NC. However if you want to really enjoy bonsai, I would consider thinking about trees that do well in NYC natively. Then you can keep your bonsai outdoors 24/7, and enjoy your trees as they go through the natural cycle of the seasons.
Makes sense! I wanted something indoors too for decoration if it’s even possible
 
You are in a zone similar to mine (lower Michigan) so you have lots of options. How much room do you have outside? You will be surprised how hardy conifers are and how rewarding they are to work with.
Room plenty haha but again a normal mid size tree. Nothing too big but compared to figs,
I’m sure I can make it work haha
 
If you are young and willing to learn the ways, grasshopper then start with something smaller and learn how to develop the tree. It takes time (something I don't have a lot of) to make this happen. Look around you and go from there.

One of the rewards of this hobby is to develop the tree into what you want it to be... I have several young trees I am shaping and I am buying a few that I want in the final stages.
 
If you are young and willing to learn the ways, grasshopper then start with something smaller and learn how to develop the tree. It takes time (something I don't have a lot of) to make this happen. Look around you and go from there.

One of the rewards of this hobby is to develop the tree into what you want it to be... I have several young trees I am shaping and I am buying a few that I want in the final stages.
Im so conflicted haha. If i start young yes, I can get the tree shape after many years or buy a tree with shape that im closely looking for and maintain it. Now question is like if I wanted different branches and etc or even height, is it possible to grow it more or am i like stuck at that shape and height
 
You need to read and learn how to develop trees how you want them to turn out...
 
Everyone has different ideas on what bonsai should be, different resources and different conditions so there are lots of ways to get started - all legitimate.
As you say, starting from seed or smaller trees takes a long time but we all make mistakes, especially when starting out. Those mistakes are easier to live with when the victims are younger and less expensive so most people start out with some cheaper trees to learn on and then seek out better material when they are more confident with watering, pruning, year round care and repotting.
Collected garden plants can be a good source of relatively mature trees for bonsai without costing a fortune.
If you're ready to lash out, take a trip to a bonsai specialist. Good bonsai nurseries charge more but the trees have generally had more previous work done to start on the road to bonsai. Note that not all bonsai sellers and not all plants marketed as 'bonsai' have had the same care and attention so buyer beware. Learn what to look for and what is good value.

Where you start will depend on your goals, what is available and your financial resources.
 
As some have already mentioned, your starting can very greatly on your comfort level, prior knowledge, and interests.

If you don't have a lot of experience in maintaining plants then I would strongly suggest getting some nursery stock or "pre-bonsai" material to practice on. This will give you some young and cheap material to practice on. You will inevitably make a mistake (eg underwatering, too aggressive in work, misunderstanding the species, breaking branches, working out of season, etc.) The pain of losing a tree or setting it back a bit is a lot less when the material is one you can afford to replace.

Another benefit to starting with younger material is that you get a taste of the time investment needed for each tree. You'll be able to gauge the manageable size of your future collection so as not to overwhlem yourself with work as more developed material will require more time out of your day/week to maintain or continue developing. Starting with young stock can also help you identify what parts of this hobby actually interest you. It seems like you have a specific style of tree in mind already, but you may not enjoy the maintenance of the style/species.

I started in this hobby collecting conifers because I enjoy the look of conifers in general. As I spent some time in the hobby, I transitioned into a larger interest in decidious species as I ended up enjoying the maintenance tasks much more.

A sure fire way to procrastinating on needed work is to not get enjoyment from it.

I'd suggest starting your collection with some Bonsai books to educate yourself and study some horticulture to understand why the techniques we do in bonsai produce the results we are aiming for.

You can practice on the young material while you are going through this phase. Once you are confident in maintaining the health of a tree, you can look for more developed material to add to your collection.
 
Oh boy I wish I started earlier. Seems like I’m a bit late haha. Where and how do I start? What are some books and videos you can guide me too.

For example some trees have a shape just like fig trees I like a single stack not to tall tree form. I will prune it to get scaffolds.

I was thinking maybe a jade for indoor to start, would like an indoor decoration. Then maybe a juniper and from there whatever really. Whatever tree I get, once it has the shape, can it be changed?
 
Another question is this. Let’s say I get a trunk cut to start. I don’t know how it would grow, do I let it just grow and then shape it?
 
Whatever tree I get, once it has the shape, can it be changed?
The trees we use for bonsai keep growing so they are pretty much infinitely changeable. All you need is vision and time, plenty of time. Most of us think nothing of chopping a tree down to the first branch to get some taper and a bend in the trunk then growing it all again into a new tree. Sometimes restyle is less radical but still makes big changes to the overall appearance.
Sometimes, just changing the planting angle will make the tree seem like a completely new bonsai.
Even thick, old trunks and branches can be bent and twisted by hollowing them out to reduce stiffness of cutting some of the wood away to enable bending but that's pretty advanced horticulture.

We can also make less radical changes just by wiring and bending the branches into different shapes.

On the other hand, many trees have very stiff and brittle wood so it becomes increasingly difficult to make changes to the basic structure unless you use some advanced techniques or chop a lot off and regrow.

Another question is this. Let’s say I get a trunk cut to start. I don’t know how it would grow, do I let it just grow and then shape it?
This is something that probably needs experience or faith. Some species grow back easily after a cut and some don't. Some grow quicker and some slower. Some are easily shaped and some are not so, unfortunately, different approaches for different groups of trees but, in general, I suspect that chop, let it grow, shape or chop again, let it grow and repeat is the formula for many bonsai now.
Many of the conifers , junipers in particular, are the closest thing we can get to 'instant' bonsai' provided you choose your starting material wisely.

I'd encourage you to add NYC to your personal profile. Knowing where someone is helps us give better help and hints because what works in one area may not in another and timing differs all round the world. Having a location in your profile saves us having to remember or keep scrolling back to the first post.
 
Hi all,
Brand new to Bonsai. Looking to start preparing some trees to work on over the next few seasons and I would love any input on my intended plan.
  • I am more interested in finding and/or growing my own tree than buying an established bonsai. I am not sure if that's the best idea or not. I figure I would rather make my mistakes on something that I have put time into rather than something I put to much money into.
  • I have some kind of Juniper ground cover/bush (I think) that the previous owner of the house let get fairly over grown. I am thinking that I will try to collect a couple pieces with roots to start off my exterior collection.
    • Any suggestions on timing of collection? Should I do anything to prepare for the collection?
  • I am hoping to purchase some smaller trees to grow in larger pots I was thinking the following:
    • Dawn Redwood (always been something that I have wanted not sure if its a great idea)
    • Tamarack
    • A maple tree - open to suggestions
    • would love some other suggestions as well
Any recommendations are welcome. I have some space around the house to keep 5 to 7 pre-bonsai.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Try to find a local bonsai club to join! Those are a huge help and great resource. Since you are in NYC, the Nationals Bonsai Show in September this year would be a great idea to attend! We will be selling pots, and they do demos etc.
 
I started growing from seeds. I still have those trees, but they take a long time to develop.

I then got some nursery stock. That has been rewarding, as I can actually do some work to make those into bonsai. This also takes time to develop, but not as much as starting from seeds or tiny seedlings.

Now, I have a couple very young bonsai, developed by others and already in bonsai pots.

Having all 3 options gives me plenty to work on, and in multiple phases.

As mentioned above, when starting out, it's best to start with native trees and/or species that work very well in your environment. It will make the trees feel at home. Having Mediterranean trees in Michigan would add difficulty, for example.

Either way, you guys (@Evry1lovej, @StruggleBus) have landed in the perfect place to begin your journey!
 
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