Mirai Live Plagiarized?

[BobbyLane]

Or the most publicized? Visibility does not one-on-one equal quality.
I would entertain the idea there are a few people that nobody really knows outside their own circle who are quite good in their own right.

probably, but they may lack in other areas. Ryan excels as a great teacher. his marketing isnt too shabby either. video production etc everything seems to be on point. again, he has set the bar extremely high. and it would seem he has even bigger plans.

 

[bwaynef]

FYI: Boon was streaming content before Ryan. Bonsai Empire had lessons online as well. Youtube... Ryan's not the first. He's done it differently, ...and very well. But he wasn't the first.

edit: After reading posts I didn't know were posted, I see my sentiment wasn't unique. Was it Plagiarism?

 

[leatherback]

he has set the bar extremely high.

He has. Good advertising, excellent teaching, and tack sharp, clear videography does not make him the best bonsai artist in the world though, is what I was saying.
I am not saying I know he is not, because I do not know. I have not worked with him, seen only snippets of his videos. I have seen some trees which are really good. But whether Kimura or kobayashi are not better? Or whether there are a few people hidden in places that have the same skillset? Dunno.

In any case. I think you should never state things in absolutes. He certainly is one of the best artists and one of the most well-known artists out there.

 

[Bonsai Nut]

Lastly, mods please remove if this is inappropriate or anything like that.

I am not going to remove it, but let me change your title and add a question mark

 

[leatherback]

Was it Plagiarism

I think so.

 

[Jluke33]

I am not going to remove it, but let me change your title and add a question mark

I agree that makes the title fit the conversation much better. thanks!

 

[BobbyLane]

He has. Good advertising, excellent teaching, and tack sharp, clear videography does not make him the best bonsai artist in the world though, is what I was saying.
I am not saying I know he is not, because I do not know. I have not worked with him, seen only snippets of his videos. I have seen some trees which are really good. But whether Kimura or kobayashi are not better? Or whether there are a few people hidden in places that have the same skillset? Dunno.

In any case. I think you should never state things in absolutes. He certainly is one of the best artists and one of the most well-known artists out there.

yeh but tbf he only needs to be one of the best or the best who provide it all on an easy access online platform, the names you mentioned that isnt their forte.
One example, the way he talks about compartmentalisation (on different species), you will not find anywhere else on the internet. ive never ever seen anyone go over it with a fine tooth comb like that. ive not seen anyone in a video format clean up, dress up a cut branch and discuss why this procedure is better because the branch will now heal in the best way possible.

 

[badatusernames]

Do you all feel that Mirai Live is worth the asking cost vs. what's out there on YouTube in terms of providing actionable recommendations for plants? I've not signed up because it's a bit of a chunk of change for a monthly cost when you compare it to other streaming services, but if it's that good I probably want in.

TBH if feel like I have a better idea of what I may be getting with the "other bonsai professional" given what he already has out on youtube, but it sounds like Ryan is the dude with the goods in terms of breadth of experience and knowledge base. I don't think I've done much of a deep dive on their free youtube videos for whatever reason, and when I did it was more like "garden walks", so I have less of an idea as to his style of presenting &etc

 

[mrcasey]

I was also being somewhat tongue in cheek, but on the whole, yes he has monetised information that is all over the internet for free, albeit more polished and concise.

I really like Ryan, but I wouldn't use the word "concise" to describe Ryan's style of communication.

 

[Jluke33]

Do you all feel that Mirai Live is worth the asking cost vs. what's out there on YouTube in terms of providing actionable recommendations for plants? I've not signed up because it's a bit of a chunk of change for a monthly cost when you compare it to other streaming services, but if it's that good I probably want in.

TBH if feel like I have a better idea of what I may be getting with the "other bonsai professional" given what he already has out on youtube, but it sounds like Ryan is the dude with the goods in terms of breadth of experience and knowledge base. I don't think I've done much of a deep dive on their free youtube videos for whatever reason, and when I did it was more like "garden walks", so I have less of an idea as to his style of presenting &etc

Mirai has some a playlist of free Mirai Live streams. they are all an hr plus.. Iw ould recommend watching them and judging for yourself.

 

[Jluke33]

I really like Ryan, but I wouldn't use the word "concise" to describe Ryan's style of communication.

agree. Definitely clear, but not necissarily concise.

 

[leatherback]

Do you all feel that Mirai Live is worth the asking cost vs. what's out there on YouTube in terms of providing actionable recommendations for plants? I've not signed up because it's a bit of a chunk of change for a monthly cost when you compare it to other streaming services, but if it's that good I probably want in.

TBH if feel like I have a better idea of what I may be getting with the "other bonsai professional" given what he already has out on youtube, but it sounds like Ryan is the dude with the goods in terms of breadth of experience and knowledge base. I don't think I've done much of a deep dive on their free youtube videos for whatever reason, and when I did it was more like "garden walks", so I have less of an idea as to his style of presenting &etc

Lets not go there. It's been done.

Is Bonsai Mirai Live Worth $300/year?

Here's the pricing schedule: https://live.bonsaimirai.com/pricing Tier 1, at $72/year, seems fairly useless unless you're going to be watching the live stream each Tuesday night. I have no idea what "And so much more means." I never trust that phrase. If it is worth something, then tell me...

www.bonsainut.com

 

[badatusernames]

Lets not go there. It's been done.

Is Bonsai Mirai Live Worth $300/year?

Here's the pricing schedule: https://live.bonsaimirai.com/pricing Tier 1, at $72/year, seems fairly useless unless you're going to be watching the live stream each Tuesday night. I have no idea what "And so much more means." I never trust that phrase. If it is worth something, then tell me...

www.bonsainut.com

hah, fair, thanks for the link

should have known that was a topic that had already been beaten to death

 

[BobbyLane]

Lets not go there. It's been done.

Is Bonsai Mirai Live Worth $300/year?

Here's the pricing schedule: https://live.bonsaimirai.com/pricing Tier 1, at $72/year, seems fairly useless unless you're going to be watching the live stream each Tuesday night. I have no idea what "And so much more means." I never trust that phrase. If it is worth something, then tell me...

www.bonsainut.com

Exactly. this goes back to saying that if you put in the effort, the info is out there for free. if thats too tedious for you, pay for the packages and get it all drip fed.

 

[Kadebe]

yeh but tbf he only needs to be one of the best or the best who provide it all on an easy access online platform, the names you mentioned that isnt their forte.
One example, the way he talks about compartmentalisation (on different species), you will not find anywhere else on the internet. ive never ever seen anyone go over it with a fine tooth comb like that. ive not seen anyone in a video format clean up, dress up a cut branch and discuss why this procedure is better because the branch will now heal in the best way possible.

Another perspective view...
If he learned all these all this from his teacher in Japan, is he also committing plagiarism?

 

[BobbyLane]

Another perspective view...
If he learned all these all this from his teacher in Japan, is he also committing plagiarism?

I dont think he did. i think a lot of what he does on mirai is self taught.

 

[luvinthemountains]

Another perspective view...
If he learned all these all this from his teacher in Japan, is he also committing plagiarism?

I don't think so. Plagiarism is taking someone else's (usually written) words verbatim (or close to it) and passing them off as your own. There are no new ideas in the world.

 

[leatherback]

I dont think he did. i think a lot of what he does on mirai is self taught.

I think he studied in Japan for a little bit too?

 

[BobbyLane]

I think he studied in Japan for a little bit too?

yeh i didnt word that right. i know he studied in Japan under Kimura, he does talk about that a bit in the streams, but a lot of content he teaches is stuff that he learnt himself. im pretty sure Kimura didnt teach him how branches on Tilia and Beech compartmentalise. when he starts marking out horticulture on the black board and going deep into sugars, starches and what not, that is not stuff he learnt in Japan!

 

[MrWunderful]

yeh i didnt word that right. i know he studied in Japan under Kimura, he does talk about that a bit in the streams, but a lot of content he teaches is stuff that he learnt himself. im pretty sure Kimura didnt teach him how branches on Tilia and Beech compartmentalise. when he starts marking out horticulture on the black board and going deep into sugars, starches and what not, that is not stuff he learnt in Japan!

How do you know what he learned in japan?