Juniper Prospect

Discussion in 'Junipers' started by thomas22, Mar 17, 2017.

  1. thomas22

    thomas22 Shohin

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    I saw this tree at a nursery today. Massive trunk and nice branching on one side of the trunk. Can anyone tell me what kind of juniper and what would you pay for it. I will tell you what he is asking in a bit.
    I'm not sold on it but it does have potential.

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  3. jriddell88

    jriddell88 Chumono

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    Looks like a spruce maybe ?
     
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  4. sorce

    sorce Nonsense Rascal

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    Foemina!

    That don't lookalike a juniper!

    Wicked!

    Sorce
     
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  5. Brian Van Fleet

    Brian Van Fleet Imperial Masterpiece

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    You sure that's a juniper?
     
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  6. jriddell88

    jriddell88 Chumono

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    I'm sure it's not ! Lol
     
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  7. thomas22

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    Not sure what it is. The nursery owner didn't even know.
    What is it and can it be a bad ass bonsai?
    Chears. Gulp
     
  8. Wilson

    Wilson Omono

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    Looks like a spruce, the needles almost look like cedrus brevifolia.
     
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  9. sorce

    sorce Nonsense Rascal

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    Low ball him!

    Sorce
     
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  10. sorce

    sorce Nonsense Rascal

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    That looks like the one I got in my yard...

    Almost dwarf Alberta...but big like that...

    Maybe some older version of dwarf Alberta.

    Mine seems the same age.

    I got a ladder and cleaned it out some.

    Lotta die back on the inside like that.

    Best thing about yours, that neglected side is clearly not a problem...

    The foliage on the good stuff looks to be in excellent health!

    Sorce
     
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  11. thomas22

    thomas22 Shohin

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    Thanks Sorce
    I was thinking a needle type juni like a Common but I'm not that familar with them. Im not going to pop on a Spuce for $300.
     
  12. jriddell88

    jriddell88 Chumono

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    Show him all the die back and dead branches and offer em 50 bucks
     
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  13. mrt1

    mrt1 Sapling

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    I agree. Offer fiddy.
     
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  14. thomas22

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    Can anyone give be a positive identification on this (non Juniper) tree. After some research I think it is some kind of spruce but not positive. I kind of want to know what it is even before offering. He told me he just got those in on loan from another nursery because they were not doing well in the other nursery so maybe this tree is not hardy in my area. All those high front branches that are growing upward in the first pic are very bendable. I grabbed one pulled it down no problem so I think there is a possible really nice tree.
     
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  15. barrosinc

    barrosinc Masterpiece

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    spruce I think.... Cedar seems to not have the same bark
     
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  16. discusmike

    discusmike Omono

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    Alberta spruce,I would not buy
     
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  17. Bonsai Nut

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    I would not buy... and here's why:

    With raw stock you should always look at the nebari and the first 6 - 12" of the trunk. If that part of the tree is good, it has potential. If that part of the tree is poor, you more or less have to start over and you lose the entire reason for buying a big tree in the first place. If you look at this trunk critically, you will see a twin trunk that splits too far above the ground, and a strange/awkward reverse taper down towards the roots. The bottom 12" of the trunk has a decidedly different look to the bark - leading me to believe it is a grafted tree on different species root stock. There is a good chance that even if you prune the tree dramatically the lower trunk will never match the upper trunk or branches.

    You would end up investing a ton of time in this tree - and it might still have unfixable issues.
     
  18. thomas22

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    That's a really good well though out answer. I think you make some really good points. I think I got some big eyes when I saw the big trunk and didn't really take a good look at it. Thanks everyone.
     
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  19. sorce

    sorce Nonsense Rascal

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    Screw that!

    If he don't know what it is....

    Go for $20!

    Don't give up on it...

    This tree is only challenging...

    Lil faith, lil future vision...

    That's a Cool Ass project!

    Sorce
     
  20. M. Frary

    M. Frary Bonsai Godzilla

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    I don't think so.
    For all of the reasons that Mr. Nut pointed out.
    And it doesn't look to be in the greatest health either.
     
  21. sorce

    sorce Nonsense Rascal

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    That has to change!

    It's ugly, no ID...

    As long as it doesn't have giant roots going into the ground...
    I'd get it. Or try to get it...
    For closer to $50 than $300..

    Though it may be even easier to lower the price of it is into the ground. Cuz cutting them further decrease chance of survival.

    It's already in a pot.

    I personally think you have an eye that would/could make something out of this.
    There are a lot of good eyes here...
    But yours is more appropriate for this task.

    IMO...

    Any problems as previously discussed can be overcome.
    It's ready in a pot.

    Maybe @wireme has some photos or thoughts about this tree.
    From a style perspective...
    He has a different eye, but similar in that his eye succeeds outside of traditional.
    It's already in a pot.

    Some of the issues brought up are still "what ifs".
    Many can become "it is" with a little shuffling of weeds, digging, and maybe a couple better pictures.

    For the Record.
    You Can Not make A decision based on "what ifs"...
    And forgive me...
    But it is foolish to make that decision when the "what ifs" are so easily converted to "it is".

    Does the low foliage branch come from below the suspected graft?

    Quite a few worst case scenarios....

    How bout best case scenario.

    It's not grafted....or if it is it is acceptable.
    Or unnoticed because of the montrous tree.

    It has loose duff in the top half of the pot, no roots in the ground, an amazing flare, and the bottom half of the pot is filled with excellent feeder roots.

    Use Your eye, and please understand, though I have confused you with @Jeremy , because of the Avatar, he has a similar eye too, I am not saying this just to convince you to buy the tree...and I do not have this confused....
    Your talent begs for this tree.

    I'm going to take some pictures of mine..

    We are still after a proper ID.

    If it is NON dwarf Alberta.
    I don't think there is enough experience with them to discard.

    I still say what is left of it is excellently healthy. Though the needles are a little off color...the buds, sometimes 3, look good.

    Coming back...
    That interior die off is what these do.

    But if you look at the growth and ramification, you can see how pruning and wire can keep it healthy and viable as a bonsai.

    Did I mention it's already in a pot!?

    Sorce
     

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