JBP seeds/pine cone

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I’ve a black pine with cones showing seeds. Due to my environment, I will not be trying to start any seedlings, but if anyone has any interest in a cone with seeds, let me know and I’ll send you a cone.

Fwiw, my observations are that this tree has deeper green, and thicker/coarser needles vs other JBP I have from a couple of east coast retailers. Note, the needles respond as other JBP - they’ll reduce with candle cutting. In fact, they’re shorter than my other pines - quite nice for a medium sized tree.

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Just grab a couple of the seeds and split them open to check whether there's a seed inside. My experience with cones on potted pines is that they don't produce viable seed. Shells are generally hollow. I've had others say they get good seed. Splitting a few open will tell the story.
 
I pulled some from the cones, and they were empty (or had a very small ‘seed’ ~1mm in length).
But, I did find one on the bench under the tree that was at least full size, but, based on the coloring, I believe it’s sterile. (It’s hard to tell from the picture, but it was a very light beige color)

Thanks for the suggestion to look, it’s saved me wasting any time on it!

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Seed colour can be a guide but not definitive. I've had good seed in both light and dark colour. The only way to tell if it is good is to cut it open (which will kill it so not much help except for your interest and education) or plant it and wait. With experience I can now squeeze pine seeds enough to see if they are likely to be good. Empty seeds collapse under light pressure but viable seeds take more pressure to squash. It is also possible to tell if there's an embryo inside by the weight but that also requires experience to know what's light and what's right.

My experience is also that the best seed drops out first when the cones open. Unviable seed often stays trapped in the scales so collecting open cones is not often rewarding, even if you can see wings as the viable seed is probably gone. I'm guessing most good seed has already dropped from your cone if there was any in it. To get good seed the cones need to be picked the day they begin to open or a few days before. Again keeping a close eye on them is essential and experience to detect the signs they are ready to open.

Pine cones also close up again if they get wet. I've picked perfect looking closed cones only to find the seed is all gone.

Actually, I'm a bit surprised your cones are opening at this time of year. Down here black pine cones open in autumn. I harvested mine a few weeks ago. I had to harvest a little earlier than I liked because the cockatoos found them and started tearing the cones apart to get at the seeds. The cones are currently drying in a box until they open to drop the seeds.

I also harvested about 50 red pine cones this year but it looks like they have not developed seed again this year. Not sure why. This is the second year of cones but no seed. The trees are still quite young so maybe not mature enough to produce good seed yet? I'll try again next year.

My seed pines are planted in the garden as seed producing specimens, not potted trees.
 
@Shibui Thanks for the great info - and the funny story! I’ve no cockatoo’s to worry about here!!

We’ve had some rain/humid weather here, so the cones closed up. But, to be honest, based on my experience growing pines inground in the soil here, it’s not going to happen (I’ve been looking, and don’t see any pines in at least a 1-2km radius of my house).
And, I’m getting past the age where I could expect to see anything from my efforts in my life time. I will just enjoy collecting the few cones as mementos.

I wish I had your knowledge when I was a bit younger ;)


At least this old dog can still learn something!
If you don’t mind, I’m going to tag you in a different thread in Red Pine…
 
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