"Hard" Akadama?

[Vance Wood]

I'm both sad and glad for you. Good to hear you seem to be doing well and I hope your endeavors prove profitable for you.

 

[leatherback]

Oh....and the lady whom has made all this possible, her name is Lisa. We are headed for great things, she will be catering all my events, and I will be incorporating what I call "Pedagogy Curb Service" where you drive up to the ample parking, you get unloaded by staff, and pay your 60.00 fee for the day and get all day workshop as well as a catered BBQ dinner with the customary libations = beer!! or wine for the snobs. We even made the local news in a photo below.

Welcome back. Hope the tides of fortune have made a final turn for the positive on you now. I feel it is time you get some of that fairy dust for once.

 

[Smoke]

Welcome back. Hope the tides of fortune have made a final turn for the positive on you now. I feel it is time you get some of that fairy dust for once.

oh no....not back! Just a blurb to let those that care know I'm still alive. Careful with the "fairy" dust, I got enough problems.....

 

[omasou]

This whole debate is simple.
1. First you have to define what organic "bonsai" soil is and what inorganic "bonsai" soil is. All the bonsai books have defined this for decades. THAT, is the determiner, not me.

2. Define what that difference is and why both have usefullness and can be detrimental to good horticutral parctise.

3. Define what the compromise is and how that relates to bonsai soil specifically.

Then factor the properties of akadama and its ability to buffer water to simulate Amazonian conditions on a "aquarium planting tank" to which I referenced, and how that ability relates to bonsai soil. All the while keeping in mind that Amazonian conditions are produced in the Amazon basin from huge amounts of flora and fauna (humates) which actually make the water "black" known as the Black Water of the amazon during the flooding season.

It is also a well known fact that humates are most responsible for increasing the CEC of clay compounds as well as lots of other substances.

Now the argument is that if one wants to plant in a totally inorganic mix, then use lava and pumice and turface (fired to the point of vitrification and so contains no humates) and you will have that.

Use Boon mix with akadama and you have introduced an organic component to the mix via the humates it contains.

Wikipedia says this:

Organic matter, matter that has come from a once-living organism, is capable of decay or the product of decay, or is composed of organic compound
Organic chemistry, chemistry involving organic compounds
Organic compound, a compound that contains carbon

Akadama contains organic matter, not only physically but humates, fulvates and tannins. This is what gives akadama the properties to buffer water down to support green aquariums. In the past, I was commercially involved in the aquarium trade building trickle filters for reef and black water aquariums. Back in the day we did not have akadama and so relied on coarse peat, of the type Walter Pall uses in his mix. Funny huh....Walter adds organic matter to his soil ( as well as humates), not so stupid am I. Dario you might want to read Walters article on composted wood versus fresh bark, your all mixed up on nitrogen depleation. Composted bark is not composted enough and so depletes nitrogen. Fresh bark will not decompose enough in a three year planting cycle to deplete anything. If you feel intent on aruing that, I would send you his way, beat up the big guy, you get a rise out of that it seems.

Now you all can debate this till the cow comes home. I use it, it works extremely well and have so for thirty years and when I can't get it anymore I will secretly make my way to this field and screen buckets of this humate rich organic/inorganic soil. Rather than debate it and try to dispel what you think you know, why not buy a bag and plant some trees in it and get some skin in the game and come back in a few years and tell me if you see a difference. If you don't, then by all means don't buy it or use it cause your just sucking up my resources.

4 painful pages to get here. BTW, NONE of what was posted prior by everyone would help anyone fish for themselves, instead only to throw their hand up and look elsewhere for help.

 

[leatherback]

4 painful pages to get here. BTW, NONE of what was posted prior by everyone would help anyone fish for themselves, instead only to throw their hand up and look elsewhere for help.

always great to see someone join the site, just to dig up a post from 7 years ago, and then say that all the older posts are useless.

wellcome to the nuthouse, You should fit right in, as the most common hobby here is derailing discussions

 

[omasou]

always great to see someone join the site, just to dig up a post from 7 years ago, and then say that all the older posts are useless.

wellcome to the nuthouse, You should fit right in, as the most common hobby here is derailing discussions

Just b/c I joined doesn't mean I haven't been lurking. Search is a wonderful thing.

Not what I said. To clarify. It took 4 pages of wax on wax off before the post I quoted, which finally provided some useful information upon which to build.

 

[leatherback]

Not what I said. To clarify. It took 4 pages of wax on wax off before the post I quoted, which finally provided some useful information upon which to build.

Still. Great first post. Especially if you have been lurking. First thing you do upon joining is shitting on the resource you have been leaching off.

 

[omasou]

Again, not what I said.

Why don't you read post 64 then post 65, then read all the useless banter from 2...63. Sort of like this conversation that isn't adding any value.

If by shitting on the resource means calling out folks that waste time by posting yoda style post b/c they think their encouraging me to fish for myself, well new flash, you may have a lot of useful information that you learned over the years but if you cannot either take the time to write out a well though out post, reference a well though out post and only want to play games and waste peoples time then yes, the "resource" and it's information is useless.

 

[leatherback]

If by shitting on the resource means calling out folks that waste time by posting yoda style post b/c they think their encouraging me to fish for myself, well new flash, you may have a lot of useful information that you learned over the years but if you cannot either take the time to write out a well though out post, reference a well though out post and only want to play games and waste peoples time then yes, the "resource" and it's information is useless.

As said. Great to see you dig up a 7 year old post to use as your first post in which you tell people in the forum off.

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