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Some say it's "Fake news".

"Science" says it's a fact.

What are the arguments on either side ?

I'd really like to know what the BNut members think : I know there can be a kind of poll, but I can't find the button and it's time for me to go water my trees for the second time on this 15th of September, another heat and drought record in 100 years...
 
AlainK said:
Some say it's "Fake news".

"Science" says it's a fact.

What are the arguments on either side ?

I'd really like to know what the BNut members think : I know there can be a kind of poll, but I can't find the button and it's time for me to go water my trees for the second time on this 15th of September, another heat and drought record in 100 years...
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While I understand ALL the different viewpoints available, and mean NO disrespect TO those viewpoints by politely posing my own...

I THOROUGHLY believe that Global Warming is a very real thing, from my own investigations/inquiries... In MY opinion.. we squandered “eden”...
 
HorseloverFat said:
While I understand ALL the different viewpoints available
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We can understand a viewpoint based on an erroneous demonstration because it's based on wrong data.

I can't accept "different viewpoints" just because they're "different viewpoints"!

How can anyone with a modicum of common sense accept a theory based on false information ?

A point of view must be based on facts, not "ideas" or "creeds".
 
Hopefully this will get transferred over to the Tea House.

If we're just going to stick to the science here, you need to look at the vostok ice core samples.

Even the later studies of how the air moves through the ice, only prove that the 1400 year estimate in lag time was a little large.....more like 200 years.

The point is, the earth warmed, then higher CO2 levels appeared.
CO2 did not cause the warming.
Humans did not cause the warming.

It has more to do with the Sun than anything.

There's a whole another angle about this topic that has nothing to do with science at all, and that's obviously the political angle.

Basically, if the Greeniacs had their way, we'd all be living in caves and mud huts, running around naked, eating grass for sustenance.

Now, I know that's a Frenchman's dream right there, but I prefer electricity and civilization.
 
just.wing.it said:
Hopefully this will get transferred over to the Tea House.

If we're just going to stick to the science here, you need to look at the vostok ice core samples.

Even the later studies of how the air moves through the ice, only prove that the 1400 year estimate in lag time was a little large.....more like 200 years.

The point is, the earth warmed, then higher CO2 levels appeared.
CO2 did not cause the warming.
Humans did not cause the warming.

It has more to do with the Sun than anything.

There's a whole another angle about this topic that has nothing to do with science at all, and that's obviously the political angle.

Basically, if the Greeniacs had their way, we'd all be living in caves and mud huts, running around naked, eating grass for sustenance.

Now, I know that's a Frenchman's dream right there, but I prefer electricity and civilization.
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Sorry, but that is way over-simplified.

Look at the RATES of warming and CO2 levels. Obviously temperatures fluctuate, but when the temperature is rising at an exponentially higher RATE than it did pre-industrial era it is clear that the warming is of anthropocentric causation.
 
AlainK said:
We can understand a viewpoint based on an erroneous demonstration because it's based on wrong data.

I can't accept "different viewpoints" just because they're "different viewpoints"!

How can anyone with a modicum of common sense accept a theory based on false information ?

A point of view must be based on facts, not "ideas" or "creeds".
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Agreed! But just as YOUR ideas deserve to be heard (which
, your ideas in this case I strongly agree with ;) ), I believe EVERYONE deserves that same respect... I KNOW what I believe..

SHARING/contrasting viewpoints against each other is fundamental of courteous debate...

I would like to hear more from those who DON’T share this particular idea.. find out what we can all AGREE on.. then work backward from there... finding conversional points of disagreement.
 
Colorado said:
There is no debate that global temperatures are - on average - rising. To deny this is to deny thermometers.

The only debate is whether the warming is human-induced.
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Correct, which is why I say those who deny that the climate changes naturally are the true climate change deniers.
 
Colorado said:
Sorry, but that is way over-simplified.

Look at the RATES of warming and CO2 levels. Obviously temperatures fluctuate, but when the temperature is rising at an exponentially higher RATE than it did pre-industrial era it is clear that the warming is of anthropocentric causation.
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www.scientificamerican.com

Ice Core Data Help Solve a Global Warming Mystery

Why do some ice core samples seem to indicate CO2 spikes trailed increases in global temperature? It’s all about the way bubbles move in ice
www.scientificamerican.com www.scientificamerican.com
It is simple. This is a non political article.
 
just.wing.it said:
There's a whole another angle about this topic that has nothing to do with science at all, and that's obviously the political angle.
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This is true. There is no actual scientific debate that humans caused global warming with increasing man-made CO2. Not one that's significant in any real way.

The only debating is purely political.
 
Here’s another interesting article I read on the subject a few years back.

I have no REAL dog in this fight, as others disagreeing doesn’t really bother me.. and I’m ALWAYS open to learn new things/process new information..

That said..

Here is the article.

Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming - IOPscience

Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming, Cook, John, Oreskes, Naomi, Doran, Peter T, Anderegg, William R L, Verheggen, Bart, Maibach, Ed W, Carlton, J Stuart, Lewandowsky, Stephan, Skuce, Andrew G, Green, Sarah A, Nuccitelli, Dana, Jacobs, Peter...
iopscience.iop.org iopscience.iop.org
 
heres my .2 told a cowrker recently...solyndra and references included

yeah.







my take on climate change: im indifferent on whether I believe it or not. I think of proportions in life a lot.

ratios and scale. humans or civilization is what, 5,000 o 10,000 years or w.e… I sometimes think about 5,000/100 million years ago

the dinosaurs are documented. 100 million+ (unfathomable amount of time) years compared to 5,000. I think in 100 million years there are variations hot and cold that

happen normally in that amount of time. to my earlier point, that doesn’t mean I don’t think humans could have made things worse.

im for alternatives, but heres a major kicker, I don’t want the government involved or celebs, stimulus, any tax money whatsoever. look up 500 million

to Solyndra by Obama with our tax money. bankrupt. This is because I believe free markets are the only way to solve the issue.

especially since our world competition will burn the oil and own us economically if we don’t.

let the free market (priv sector) become so strong, that they have the power to bring efficient in demand alternatives

to market. if theres a real demand, then the free market will take care of it. at 30 trillion in debt and everything going on, it wont be for a long time.





how those chevy volts selling (subsidies from tax money refunds)

they failed



supply and demand and free market will take care of alternatives if it was meant to be

and its not looking like we are anywhere near that right now



https://www.cato.org/blog/solyndra-case-study-green-energy-cronyism-failure-central-planning

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just.wing.it said:
The point is, the earth warmed, then higher CO2 levels appeared.
CO2 did not cause the warming.
Humans did not cause the warming.
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I'm afraid this is totally wrong.

I used to be a National Geographic subscriber. Not really a "fake news" publication, on the contrary, a reference for scientific independence and accuracy. I already posted this video that can explain very clearly to 6-yrs-olds (and who have not been brainwashed by religion or politics, older people can still be saved from cretinism !) how things work. It dates back to years ago, which makes it all the more relevant.

To be checked, but I think this video is 15 years old :

 
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AlainK said:
I'm afraid this is totally wrong.

I used to be a National Geographic subscriber. Not really a "fake news" publication, on the contrary, a reference for scientific independence and accuracy. I already posted this video that can explain very clearly to 6-yrs-olds (and above who have not been brainwashed by religion or ^politics) how things work. It dates back to some years ago, which makes it all the more relevant :

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im not religious, but the brainwashing is far worse from the other side of the spectrum. just heard some late night show hater john noah or w.e.
saying a gender reveal is inappropriate because the child hasnt been born to choose their gender yet... plenty for kids to try to absorb enough, traditionally, not appropriate for them to try to understand that abomination. i just smoked a fat j with my yag buddies the other night too before you think im some sort of bigot

have to get back on this CC stmt input, ill keep an eye out though
 
AlainK said:
I can't accept "different viewpoints" just because they're "different viewpoints"!

How can anyone with a modicum of common sense accept a theory based on false information ?

A point of view must be based on facts, not "ideas" or "creeds".
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This is exactly what I was referring to in another thread.
YOUR truth, YOUR facts.
The problem is, your world view is not the world view others have.

People unwilling to understand where other people come from, to understand WHY other people refute your basic principles are unable to understand why you do not seem to reach a mutual understanding. Other people can see the world so fundamentally different that it is a shock to the system when you finally get where they come from.

Progress
Truth
Fact
Reality

Al very culturally loaded concepts.

Then add to that the thought of the reasons for being alive, what purpose you have for yourself, or the purpose some other force might have..
 
hinmo24t said:
im not religious, but the brainwashing is far worse from the other side of the spectrum. just heard some late night show hater john noah or w.e.
saying a gender reveal is inappropriate because the child hasnt been born to choose their gender yet...
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Irrelevant.

You could start a new thread on "Gender" if you want to discuss about that, but I don't think it has much to do with "Global Warming".... ;)
 
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