maverickheath
Mame
a bit of help guys i think my elm is starting its dormancy but i just want to check im right 
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death or dormancy
- Thread starter maverickheath
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GrimLore
Bonsai Nut alumnus... we miss you
What type of Elm is it? My main concern looking at this is the leaf curl and the speckled leafs - mites or aphids? My Elms normally go from yellow to orange rust but evenly from the center outwards. Never had leaf curl is why I suspect other problems.
Grimmy
Grimmy
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
Could be a number of things. Maybe just a simple case of too much water.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Way too much new growth for dormant? ??
Is this still inside?
Even my green ones ain't growing no more.
Sorce
Is this still inside?
Even my green ones ain't growing no more.
Sorce
maverickheath
Mame
no its out side i toke the pics inside thats all. its a Chinese elm
if its to much water will it be ok?
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Cypress187
Masterpiece
It looks sick.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
What are your temps like?
It IS growing so that's good sign, yes?
It feels your stress. Relax and it will be fine!
Sorce
It IS growing so that's good sign, yes?
It feels your stress. Relax and it will be fine!
Sorce
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Kind of looks like you may have just cut it a little late in the season .
The new growth might die, but I think it'll come thru!
Sorce
The new growth might die, but I think it'll come thru!
Sorce
maverickheath
Mame
around 10c during the day and down to 4c at night and there is a little growth on some buds
but im not expecting the new growth to stay
jk_lewis
Masterpiece
As the first responder said, that leaf curl looks like one of the sucking insects. Too much water wouldn't do that and they don't look like leaves going into dormancy. But death is unlikely.
maverickheath
Mame
this is how the tree is looking at the minute
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0soyoung
Imperial Masterpiece
Death at this stage usually produces completely brown leafs that remain attached (leaf abscission requires a metabolic process). Your leafs don't look this way at all. They look like end-of-season leafs to me. Standing water on leaf tips (sometimes because of leafs in contact with other leafs) often produces browned/blackened tips similar to what you've shown.
I think it is just end-of-season uglies.
I think it is just end-of-season uglies.
maverickheath
Mame
i sure hope so... is there anything i can do to help it to make sure?
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Dying. Indoor conditions do this to trees, as we've stated before.
Geo
Chumono
But he stated that he keeps it outside.
maverickheath
Mame
it is outdoors! its in doors on the picture just so i could take a picture of it!
markyscott
Imperial Masterpiece
Just stay the course. Leave it outside and let's see if you get new growth in spring. You have several issues. One, it's weak from an extended stay indoors. Two, the new growth it was pushing inside is not hardened off so it wasn't ready for cold. Three, it's planted in muck, so you probably have root problems stemming from watering issues.
Best case, after the end of season fuglies it will push weak growth in spring. If that happens it will be on the road to recovery. Worst case it will die. Happens to all of us. Research repotting, take a workshop or class, buy a new elm in spring and repot it right away with your newfound knowledge. Then we'll be able to get to work.
Scott
Best case, after the end of season fuglies it will push weak growth in spring. If that happens it will be on the road to recovery. Worst case it will die. Happens to all of us. Research repotting, take a workshop or class, buy a new elm in spring and repot it right away with your newfound knowledge. Then we'll be able to get to work.
Scott
KennedyMarx
Omono
It doesn't look too good right now, but it's an elm. They're tough trees. I'm sure once it's out in the spring it will recover quickly. You could probably stand to repot it into decent soil.
maverickheath
Mame
Yeah iv been told it's a strong tree well let's hope it can make spring then I can repot it
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Too much water and REALLY REALLY bad soil. You've got root rot and/or fungal problems. Watch the watering this winter--make sure it doesn't stay soggy in the rain etc. Repot as soon as possible in the spring into decent bonsai soil
