Creating a jin

[VAFisher]

My question is about the proper timing for creating a jin. I know that you should leave a stub when removing a significant branch. If the plan is to eventually jin the stub, does the bark need to be left on for a while. Or can it be removed right away?

 

[crust]

Its pretty difficult to get old fused dead bark off so I cut it and peel-um right away--If you are worried about to much moisture lose wrap the naked wood in tin foil.

 

[Eric Group]

What kind of tree?

 

[VAFisher]

What kind of tree?

A little mugo that I'm torturing...err training.

 

[klosi]

The main purpose of leaving the stub is leaving the bark with it. The inner part is already dead basically. The bark is living thing. If you remove the bark immediately then it's same as removing the whole branch without living the stub.
or did I get it all wrong?
With mugo you should leave it for a while before you jin it I think.

 

[crust]

The main purpose of leaving the stub is leaving the bark with it. The inner part is already dead basically. The bark is living thing. If you remove the bark immediately then it's same as removing the whole branch without living the stub.
or did I get it all wrong?
With mugo you should leave it for a while before you jin it I think.

Although not a growing element, the wood of the branch has lots of moisture in it plus the retained sub-bark parts are very functional.

 

[klosi]

Although not a growing element, the wood of the branch has lots of moisture in it plus the retained sub-bark parts are very functional.

Thanks, did not know that.

 

[Cypress187]

I thought u should rip the bark right off because it will be harder on dryed/dead bark (unless u want to use powertools or like hard work).

 

[VAFisher]

Thanks for the replies. Vance has said on a few occasions that branches and roots are directly connected and that totally removing a branch will kill the associated root. The reason for leaving the stub is to trick the roots into thinking their is still something there until the path is redirected (I think I have that right). Would removing the bark from the stub defeat the purpose of leaving the stub in the first place? Taking the argument that fresh bark is easier to remove than old, dried bark out of the picture - which is the best thing to do for the health of the tree? Or doesn't it matter?

Maybe I'm ovethinking this?

 

[Cypress187]

I think you should listen to the other members, because i get my information from the internet and not personal experience.

 

[crust]

Perhaps Vance can comment on this. It is common practice that experienced teachers instruct to take off the bark right away however I can't specifically say if retaining the bark helps the roots transition or reduce trunk die-back. Intuitively, one would think it would be a gentler transition. Alternatively, the bark could be removed in a month or so, when it still comes off easily. I have had pondo branches that I did not strip (out of laziness) that retained their pitch for over a year and stripped easily Other pines I have left branches on have had the bark completely fused on.

 

[JoeR]

In one of Vances mugo videos on youtube he talks about this but I cant remember which one it is.

You should look at all his videos anyway but while you do it look for the answer too.

 

[M. Frary]

Leave the stub to save the rest of the tree from dieing back. When you leave the stub with the bark on it that fools the tree into thinking the branch is still there. It will keep the sap flowing to and up and around the stub. If you cut it off at the trunk the tree thinks that it doesn't need to push sap up to it. Thereby killing all branches above it.
I see this effect in White pines that have the branches trimmed back to the trunk. These are the hundred footers at work. Every branch above the trimmed part dies off. Effectively killing that side of the tree. For those trees we don't leave stubs but try to leave enough branch that still has green on it.
This also can happen to red pines and spruces.