Black Pine Seedling Cuttings

[Dav4]

I'm in.

 

[Rusty Davis]

I'm going to do some more Short leaf so why not some Black pines! I'm in

 

[Thomas J.]

Here's a few pics of my now 4 1/2 yr old JBPs with their trunk size at this time. Out of the 14 seedlings I planted these are the biggest trunks at this time, the others are a bit smaller. The last pic is a double trunk.

 

[Anthony]

@Thomas J. ,

thanks for this, saves me having to put up images.
Can you do one with a measuring tape ?
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Thomas J.]

Can you do one with a measuring tape ?

I hope this helps, one is showing 1 1/2 in across and the other about 2 in across.

 

[Anthony]

@Thomas J. ,

Most excellent !!!
Better than the ones down here, ours are 4 years and just about 1"
in trunk.
I may just show, to say thank you, to you.

I like it that you are in the US, or at least I hope that you are in the US - DFW area ?

I would probably get the usual, everything grows in the Tropics comment.
Good Day
Anthony

* Might I ask about the origin of the seed
and how you fertilise ?

 

[Anthony]

@Thomas J.

our source of seed -


4 years old
To cut down in Jan.2018



4 years, cut down in Jan 2017
larger pot for 2018 ----------- can you say Mr. Mysterious Japanese if we cut down to 4 inches ?


4 years old cut down Jan. 2017


4 years to be cut in Jan 2018


might be 8 years old

CAUTION ------- not all seedling grow upwards.




When we learnt to do woody cuttings we abandoned seeds.
This is a rooted cutting about 2 years.

 

[Thomas J.]

It looks like you got your seeds from Dallas Bonsai? I used to live right down the street from them and became good friends with the owner who is now mostly retired and letting someone else run the business. I got my seeds though from someone online and they worked out pretty good. I did fertilize heavy with 20-20-20 fertilizer and that helped enormously with the growth and trunk thickness. Here's a pic of the double trunk at 4 yrs.

 

[Adair M]

Eric Schreader did a 6 year trial of the seedling cutting method.

See his thread: “ A few pine seeds 6 years later”.

 

[Anthony]

Sifu [ @Adair M ]

I suggest another use of that cutting of the young seedling's root.
It is to enhance the tree's ability to branch lower down on the trunk.
So when you do the - cut down - the tree restarts much lower with branches
and many more usable choices for buds.

Left on it's own the J.B.pine creates usable surface roots, that are very
believable.
Presently the older J.B.pine efforts are all producing usable and atractive
surface roots, that only need a nudge here and there.

Using the woody cuttings actually makes the surface root effect easier
and the trunk has the potential to produce branches as low as you desire.

The Bonsai Today information is sound, but you have to first do as the articles
say, and then with that experience, move onto your own world.

Now imagine if every 30 to 36 inch shoot gives you 1 inch trunk thickness.
After 3 extensions of the above length, one would have 3 inch trunks [ 15 to 18 inch height ],
and be ready pronto to go to branchlets.

As we plant the colanders of test rooted cuttings, let us see.
Talk you visually in say 3 years.
Good Day.
Anthony

 

[markyscott]

Eric Schreader did a 6 year trial of the seedling cutting method.

See his thread: “ A few pine seeds 6 years later”.

There are several links to previous work, including Eric’s, on the first post of this thread. Here’s the link.

https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/black-pine-seedling-cuttings.24555/

Scott

 

[M. Frary]

We should have a 6-year black pine from seed contest

Maybe just a pine from seed contest so us people who live where JBP can't can play along.
I'll do some Scots or Mugo or Jacks.

 

[Guy Vitale]

Maybe just a pine from seed contest so us people who live where JBP can't can play along.
I'll do some Scots or Mugo or Jacks.

Mike, I don't see why you couldn't do JBP so long as you have an unheated garage to winter them in. In the Detroit area, the ones in the ground get hit on our colder winters, but in the garage they do perfectly fine.

 

[Bonsai Nut]

Mike, I don't see why you couldn't do JBP so long as you have an unheated garage to winter them in. In the Detroit area, the ones in the ground get hit on our colder winters, but in the garage they do perfectly fine.

I kept JBP in Chicago without problems. I overwintered in an un-heated garage.

 

[PeaceLoveBonsai]

"We should have a 6-year black pine from seed contest "

I'm in!

 

[M. Frary]

Mike, I don't see why you couldn't do JBP so long as you have an unheated garage to winter them in. In the Detroit area, the ones in the ground get hit on our colder winters, but in the garage

It's too cold for them in a garage here.
This is the coldest spot in the lower peninsula.
Even if I could keep them alive I would only get 1 flush of growth per year. We get frosts here in May and September.

 

[Anthony]

@M. Frary,

Gogeerah ---------- go here ----------- purchase

https://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Bla...pID=61x-y5Q48DL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

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The contest is about quality, not trunk size.

I will walk you through the situation. Zone 6 [ -10 F low ] through 8
Look up information on frost protection.
Some places use plastic buckets.

We can create some beautiful 6 to 12 inch bonsai.

First year all you need is 4 inch clay pots.

Will send you an image here for inspiration.
Best wishes
Mottie

 

[MindTone]

It's too cold for them in a garage here.
This is the coldest spot in the lower peninsula.
Even if I could keep them alive I would only get 1 flush of growth per year. We get frosts here in May and September.

Does this mean that I've started JBPs, and ordered seeds for next season too, pointlessly? 
I'm in Sweden btw

 

[M. Frary]

Zone 4 or less here bud.
6 is tropical.

 

[MindTone]

Zone 4 or less here bud.

Okey, it's not quite that cold in my part of the north so the dream still lives