Are bonsai wire cutters worth it?
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Forsoothe!
Imperial Masterpiece
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dtreesj
Mame
Coming from a noob, I buy a tool as and when I have a problem that particular tool can solve. If you don't know what the benefits are, you probably don't need one. It's not bonsai, but I bought special flush cutters to use in small electronics projects, because they are small, light, very sharp, and they make a straight cut. I bought them because I knew normal wire cutters weren't good enough for what I wanted to do with them. When you use the wrong tool, you'll feel it, and know you need something else. Because it doesn't fit, or it doesn't make the cut that you want, or it's hard to get the correct angle, or you have to use too much force, or you just get tired of holding it. As you start running into those situations, you'll know when and why you need a different tool.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
@QuantumSparky do you have a picture of your Kliens?
The flat blunt end is superior to the rounded ends of "bonsai" wire cutters, with the bonus of strippers.
More surface area to press to the branch before cutting will always make the least damage.
I can't believe this conversation is so long.
Sorce
The flat blunt end is superior to the rounded ends of "bonsai" wire cutters, with the bonus of strippers.
More surface area to press to the branch before cutting will always make the least damage.
I can't believe this conversation is so long.
Sorce
QuantumSparky
Shohin
I use this line of kleins
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
All porpoise.
Sorce
Forsoothe!
Imperial Masterpiece
When you're cheap, you're cheap.
TinyArt
Chumono
Compound cutters not dainty enough for ya?
coh
Imperial Masterpiece
I must have bought a cheap/poorly made wire cutter (not sure of the brand) as mine no longer cuts well at all, especially thin copper wire. Go figure! I picked up one of the knipex (red handled) wire cutters (I think someone posted a photo of one earlier) and that thing can power through 6 gauge copper pretty easily. Not so easy to maneuver into tight spaces, though, as it is considerably bulkier than "bonsai" wire cutters.
MrWunderful
Omono
Im an electrician too. I use my linesmans, and diagonals for everything with no problem. Removing wire, cutting it off, tying in trees, etc. I have bonsai wire cutter but they feel like a toy.
Never had an issue with regular diagnals cutting into bark, but I dont leave my wire on so its that embedded.
Its all about what one is comfortable with.
TinyArt
Chumono
Makes perfect sense -- I've got nice, compact diagonal cutters already, and I suppose if I'm feeling chicken about attacking my shohin-wannabe serissas, I can go out & wire something in the backyard for experience, and then clip the wire off. That way I'll KNOW if I can/can't see and reach at the same time....
atlarsenal
Omono
If I am going to be wiring a tree, I’ll use these:
They’re great for the smaller gauge wire, up to about gauge 10. Heavier than that, I’ll use the blunt nose wire cutters.
These are small enough to just stay in my hand while I’m applying the wire. I don’t have to pick up the cutters every time I cut a new piece off the roll, or trim the ends when I’m done. They’re just there, in the palm of my hand.
The tines are rather sturdy, and you can use them as levers to help bend the wired branch once the wire is applied.
I’ve had the opportunity to watch Daisaku Nomoto wire some trees, and these are the cutters he used. Watching him work was an epiphany! My wiring skills improved immensely!
These are NOT used to cut off wire from branches. As I said earlier (on this and many other threads) it’s far faster and better to unspin the wire when removing it from the tree. The tool fir that is a pair of Jin pliers.
They’re great for the smaller gauge wire, up to about gauge 10. Heavier than that, I’ll use the blunt nose wire cutters.
These are small enough to just stay in my hand while I’m applying the wire. I don’t have to pick up the cutters every time I cut a new piece off the roll, or trim the ends when I’m done. They’re just there, in the palm of my hand.
The tines are rather sturdy, and you can use them as levers to help bend the wired branch once the wire is applied.
I’ve had the opportunity to watch Daisaku Nomoto wire some trees, and these are the cutters he used. Watching him work was an epiphany! My wiring skills improved immensely!
These are NOT used to cut off wire from branches. As I said earlier (on this and many other threads) it’s far faster and better to unspin the wire when removing it from the tree. The tool fir that is a pair of Jin pliers.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Fitting to be in Cartersville for the next week.
What's the "climate" like yonder? Like, the human climate?
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Sorce
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