Anyone got a good read on what cultivar this is?

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Saw it in a customer review for fertiliser on amazon. Looking to treat myself this spring and this caught my eye


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that was the closest I could find on a search, at least colour wise. Although this one appears to be a lot less upright than Summer gold. I'd imagine this would look awesome next to a Deshojo in spring!
 
(tree on the left)

Saw it in a customer review for fertiliser on amazon. Looking to treat myself this spring and this caught my eye


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it looks like an Orange Dream, they do this after their spring color of apricot fades into late spring lemon lime color.
 

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If it is not grafted then it is likely to be a seedling. However nice a seedling looks and however close it looks to any named variety it is still a seedling and therefore a new and distinct variety.
If it is grafted and labelled you'll know what variety it is.
If grafted and not labelled then again it could be almost anything. Trying to guess from leaf colour, shape and size is highly likely to be wrong as changing conditions can have a big impact on leaf colour, size and occasionally even on shape.
Always perplexed why everyone needs to attach a name to JM. Doe a rose by any other name not smell as sweet? Grow your unnamed JMs proudly just because they look great.
 
Not sure why you are so perplexed... Two people managed to come up with good suggestions that I can now keep an eye out for.
We've had a bunch of discussions about this question, hence the detailed response from @Shibui. You are asking people what a tree in a photo looks like... so you can buy something that looks similar. You will never know for certain what the tree in the photo is... but that's ok because you just want to locate a cultivar that may have similar characteristics.

That is very different than someone having a non-descript tree in their garden and asking "can someone tell me what cultivar this is?" The answer is of course - no, no one can identify a cultivar from a photo.
 
We've had a bunch of discussions about this question, hence the detailed response from @Shibui. You are asking people what a tree in a photo looks like... so you can buy something that looks similar. You will never know for certain what the tree in the photo is... but that's ok because you just want to locate a cultivar that may have similar characteristics.

That is very different than someone having a non-descript tree in their garden and asking "can someone tell me what cultivar this is?" The answer is of course - no, no one can identify a cultivar from a photo.
yep, I've seen some of these posts, well aware of the impossibility of 100% identification. It appears to be very distinct from any of the maples I have and have seen. cheers :)
 
If it is not grafted then it is likely to be a seedling. However nice a seedling looks and however close it looks to any named variety it is still a seedling and therefore a new and distinct variety.
If it is grafted and labelled you'll know what variety it is.
If grafted and not labelled then again it could be almost anything. Trying to guess from leaf colour, shape and size is highly likely to be wrong as changing conditions can have a big impact on leaf colour, size and occasionally even on shape.
Always perplexed why everyone needs to attach a name to JM. Doe a rose by any other name not smell as sweet? Grow your unnamed JMs proudly just because they look great.
Mines not grafted; Not a seedling either, on its own roots and its an Orange Dream. Why are so many perplexed? When you buy a dog, car, etc, you like to attach a name to it, no? Some of us like puzzles and figuring things out it adds character to our lives to try and guess the unknown.
 
Mines not grafted; Not a seedling either, on its own roots and its an Orange Dream. Why are so many perplexed? When you buy a dog, car, etc, you like to attach a name to it, no? Some of us like puzzles and figuring things out it adds character to our lives to try and guess the unknown.
The puzzles of bonsai make the art fun, of course. I don't think anyone is perplexed by that. Cultivar names are tied to specific genetics. A tree can look like whatever, but if doesn't have the same exact genetics 100% as the named cultivar, it's just not that named cultivar. The tree is gorgeous. Have fun with it, but if you want to know exactly what it is and it doesn't have a label, you just may be shit out of luck.
 
We've had a bunch of discussions about this question, hence the detailed response from @Shibui. You are asking people what a tree in a photo looks like... so you can buy something that looks similar. You will never know for certain what the tree in the photo is... but that's ok because you just want to locate a cultivar that may have similar characteristics.

That is very different than someone having a non-descript tree in their garden and asking "can someone tell me what cultivar this is?" The answer is of course - no, no one can identify a cultivar from a photo.
I completely disagree with this statement and think the trained eye can identify from a photo. I feel we helped him find his tree based on the information we were given. And instead of further confusing him, he was helped. Is that not what these communities are for helping each other? The haters that don't believe should simply not concern themselves with confusing or discouraging the topic creator and not reply.
 
The puzzles of bonsai make the art fun, of course. I don't think anyone is perplexed by that. Cultivar names are tied to specific genetics. A tree can look like whatever, but if doesn't have the same exact genetics 100% as the named cultivar, it's just not that named cultivar. The tree is gorgeous. Have fun with it, but if you want to know exactly what it is and it doesn't have a label, you just may be shit out of luck.
does a seedling coral bark maple not have some genetics of its parent tree? maybe it won't have the same exact leaf color in a particular season but most coral bark seedlings I have come across have coral bark to a degree.

This notion that "he is shit out of luck" is not the attitude we should be taking here, its just plain rude and doesn't help with anything.
 
I completely disagree with this statement and think the trained eye can identify from a photo.
I think the point being made is that one cannot tell. Here are some labeled pics of various maples that are similar to the one shown. Some are palmatum. Others Japonicum and others Shirasawanum. It could be any of these. It could be a mix of these or others and only expressing a similar phenotype. You'd have just about as much luck identifying the maples by smell.
 

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I think the point being made is that one cannot tell. Here are some labeled pics of various maples that are similar to the one shown. Some are palmatum. Others Japonicum and others Shirasawanum. It could be any of these. It could be a mix of these or others and only expressing a similar phenotype. You'd have just about as much luck identifying the maples by smell.
I could go down each picture with you and tell you why it is or isn't based on the picture we were given. But there is no need for that as I have already identified said tree for him. I propagate Orange Dream and 3 bonsai on their own roots, over a dozen rooted cuttings and two mother trees. I have over 2000 pictures of them over the last 3 years of owning them taken weekly to document their changes throughout a season. And thats just one cultivar.

I have over 200 GB of pictures of the rest of Japanese Maples I have taken over the last 10 years of my life.

THE POINT BEING MADE IS THAT YOU CANNOT TELL. I CAN. SORRY YOU CANNOT LIVE WITH THAT.
 
I completely disagree with this statement and think the trained eye can identify from a photo. I feel we helped him find his tree based on the information we were given. And instead of further confusing him, he was helped. Is that not what these communities are for helping each other? The haters that don't believe should simply not concern themselves with confusing or discouraging the topic creator and not reply.
It is impossible. You might not understand WHY it is impossible, but that doesn't make it possible. I have talked about this very subject with a professional who owns a Japanese maple nursery. When I brought up this subject he laughed, and agreed, and said he has lost count of the people who send him photos and ask him to identify their tree. He can't, and he tries to explain why, but some people don't understand.

I can show you 1000 seedlings from a Bloodgood. Many will look like a Bloodgood. Some will even look identical to a Bloodgood. Not a single one is a Bloodgood. If I showed you a photo of one of these seedlings that looked identical to a Bloodgood, but isn't, how would you respond? And I don't like it when people throw around the term "hater" just because you are pointing out scientific fact. Note that the OP understands that no one can really tell what tree is in that photo... which is why he is going to try two different cultivars and perhaps end up with something that looks similar.

FWIW this fall I collected hundreds of seeds from three different red JM cultivars - Bloodgood, Crimson Queen, Red Dragon. I put them all in one bag to cold stratify them, because they are all just generic red Japanese maple... no matter WHAT they look like.
 
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