Anybody familiar with JWP 'Acto Goyo'

[Japonicus]

I killed mine...unintentionally of course, but I found these on line and the nursery said they're notorious
for being difficult to grow.
I wanted to replace mine and work on it a LOT slower than I did with this one. I mean I really butchered it
and I love the 3/4 inch short needles.

Before



After work was done October 2021.
After it failed to recover, I was told it was probably Sun scorch to interior growth.
But chopped and made a huge shari all at once ripping a branch downwards. So my fault...
That doesn't mean though that it's not a difficult variety, is it?

 

[Japonicus]

Ok so I got a reply from the nursery, that...
"Yes, Acto and Adcock's Dwarf are both extra sensitive to saturated soil
which is a problem here with our wet winters."

That being said, it should not be a problem in 1/4" aggregate and bark.
+ I over winter my trees under our sunroom where I have to water on occasion.
Anybody else have any experience with them?

 

[Scorpius]

I killed an Adcock's dwarf due to overwatering myself. I currently have a "Myogo"from Riverbend Gardens that is extremely similar. It seems sensitive to overwatering as well. It dropped needles on me this spring.

 

[Japonicus]

I killed an Adcock's dwarf due to overwatering myself. I currently have a "Myogo"from Riverbend Gardens that is extremely similar. It seems sensitive to overwatering as well. It dropped needles on me this spring.

Wow. Isn't it curious how even though being grafted, the scion takes the rap for being sensitive
over the root stock?
You're making me 2nd guess my decision to pull the trigger, because when I go out of town
my neighborhood kid tends to be absolutely positive he did not let the trees dry out LOL.
Last year, after a trip out West, I got a bad fungal infection on all my conifers except junipers.
They were pretty squishy when I got back from vacation.
Then my wife is already planning a trip to Alaska 2025

 

[Japonicus]

I killed an Adcock's dwarf due to overwatering myself.

At least you didn't butcher it like I did.

 

[kodiac]

I've had one for two years now (atco goyo). Seems to be pretty hardy. I live in North Dakota and I typically prefer the type of trees that grow locally but this jwp seems to be doing just fine. Take your time don't wire chop and report all at once

 

[Japonicus]

I've had one for two years now (atco goyo). Seems to be pretty hardy. I live in North Dakota and I typically prefer the type of trees that grow locally but this jwp seems to be doing just fine. Take your time don't wire chop and report all at once

Thanks and welcome to "the club"
I always let my trees grow on a year or more before repotting them. I get them as bushy as I can.
Sadly I never got that far with this one. Looking back at the 1st picture, the tree as it came from
the nursery, was having problems already. That was right out of the box it came in.
I should have let it go untouched the 1st year I had it. Not so much to learn the species, but
to gain vigour it was losing.

 

[Scorpius]

Wow. Isn't it curious how even though being grafted, the scion takes the rap for being sensitive
over the root stock?
You're making me 2nd guess my decision to pull the trigger, because when I go out of town
my neighborhood kid tends to be absolutely positive he did not let the trees dry out LOL.
Last year, after a trip out West, I got a bad fungal infection on all my conifers except junipers.
They were pretty squishy when I got back from vacation.
Then my wife is already planning a trip to Alaska 2025

I tip up my pots with a stone so there's no chance of water pooling in the bottom of my pots. If you use mica pots drill more holes in the bottom especially in the corners. You can never have enough holes in a pot if a tree hates wet feet.

I work a lot so I need my substrate to hold water, but not so much I drown them and kill off the oxygen supply to the root zone.

I lost some trees this year from several years ago from a poor choice in substrate

Here's one of my newer jbp corkers. I tip them like this their first year with me while they acclimate to my climate. This has always saved me me from overwatering or if it rains alot.

 

[kodiac]

Scorpius I love that tip of tipping the pot for overwatering I've lost a few trees from over loving lol. This is what I'm working with after two years of training. The first year I did a light prune/wire. Second year nothing. Now this year repot. Only because the outer roots were rotting. I keep looking at this tree invisioning a drastic trunk chop. Please be brutality honest I'd love feed back I don't get any. The only people that have bonsai where I live are the people that buy from the occasional "bonsai" stand on the side of the road.

 

[kodiac]

Buds just forming

 

[Scorpius]

^^^^ I like it just the way it is. It's got good potential and a clean graft that early on. It looks very healthy. Good job!

 

[kodiac]

Roger that

 

[kodiac]

And thank you for the input

 

[Japonicus]

@kodiac the graft on your JWP is as beautiful as the foliage.
But the whorls, oh the whorls.
Fall is when we would begin reducing the whorls to 3 or less.
I'm glad you've already began the transition to bonsai soil successfully, or was it purchased already in bonsai soil?
Nice looking tree.

 

[kodiac]

No It came with the typical nursery wood chip mix. And I agree about the whorls. I've killed many trees trying to do too much. I've heard the phrase "pines will tolerate one insult per year" and I know thats ment to slow the newbies down but I believe there is some truth to that

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Purchased a Myogo from Riverbend Gardens last year.

This spring it was repotted. The roots were not looking good.. soggy. The media seemed deficient, wet and broken down.

After repotting in a inorganic mix and drilling the pot, the tree seems ok… holding my breath this year.

best
DSD sends

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Buds just forming

I started chopping back the whorls last Sept in a Jennifer Price workshop and it responded well.

Based on just a one year observation, the Myogo grows faster than I expected, and loves to push out lots of growth in one spot, especial at the terminals. This has caused a bit of trunk swelling at each growth point. If you see it, try to get on it before the tree develops multiple reverse taper points on the trunk.

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[Scorpius]

Purchased a Myogo from Riverbend Gardens last year.

This spring it was repotted. The roots were not looking good.. soggy. The media seemed deficient, wet and broken down.

After repotting in a inorganic mix and drilling the pot, the tree seems ok… holding my breath this year.

best
DSD sends

Same here. Lost one corker from him and another seems iffy. Wet and soggy soil is no good.

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

It sends the best thing to do is repot right away upon receipt, or drill holes in the bottom of the pot right off. Usually Riverbend pots are plastic or composite.

His azaleas are potted in a really good mix and all I have here are very healthy… until I experiment on them at least

Here is my little Myojo today. Over potted a bit more than received to give the barely pruned roots room to grow. I also hit the roots with the usual H2O2 mix to help avoid any further root issue. It works for azaleas, so I'm using for other trees now too.



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[Japonicus]

It sends the best thing to do is repot right away upon receipt, or drill holes in the bottom of the pot right off. Usually Riverbend pots are plastic or composite.

His azaleas are potted in a really good mix and all I have here are very healthy… until I experiment on them at least

Here is my little Myojo today. Over potted a bit more than received to give the barely pruned roots room to grow. I also hit the roots with the usual H2O2 mix to help avoid any further root issue. It works for azaleas, so I'm using for other trees now too.

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Good job on the wiring