Bougie into a Cascade?

Dorian Fourie · Mar 22, 2017

So I had out monthly bonsai meeting the other day and I had a look at the pots at the nursery and one of them caught my eye.

Now needless to say, I have no idea if the size is right (Although it is a large pot) but I did like the design.

So I did the mock up.

Thoughts?

LanceMac10 · Mar 22, 2017

You sure the lower part can support the weight of itself upon the "questionable" part resting on the soil in the photos depicting the tree at this moment?

Dorian Fourie · Mar 23, 2017

LanceMac10 said:
You sure the lower part can support the weight of itself upon the "questionable" part resting on the soil in the photos depicting the tree at this moment?

Hi Lance

Wow, very valid point that I never thought about. So it was into the garden I went and turned the pot on its side and very carefully checked.

This is a picture from the back of the tree. Just by resting the pot on its side, it looks like it should hold it easily. As you can see, the wood is still fairly thick and also bougie wood is not a very heavy wood so I believe it should be okay.

Should I feel that it is not going to be strong enough, I think running a support wire along the back having it anchored at the base should assist with carrying the weight (What do you think?) Also the support wire will be out of sight as it will run at the back.

Also this piece of the trunk right below where the branches come out for the canopy needs to be cleaned up and carved. Right now it does not look good so once that is carved and cleaned up, it will reduce the weight slightly.

Cadillactaste · Apr 1, 2017

If that was the back of the tree. I'm not sure I would overly worry about it needing carved. I have heard bougies have soft wood, so I would think to preserve some of the trunk by leaving the back angle (if that is the area shown you are wanting carved) along. That's just my way of thinking...food for thought. Your tree though.

Crabman · Apr 1, 2017

What if you rotate it 180 degrees and reverse the right angle? or rotate it less than 180 but not completely down?

Cadillactaste · Apr 1, 2017

What if you bring the canopy a bit more toward the viewer? What would that do to that area. I'm seeing it maybe a front angle shot.

Example...is how this could have all went to the side. But I brought it to come around to the front to show more depth. Just curious...it may hide that area in question as well. Or not.

Dorian Fourie · Apr 2, 2017

Cadillactaste said:
If that was the back of the tree. I'm not sure I would overly worry about it needing carved. I have heard bougies have soft wood, so I would think to preserve some of the trunk by leaving the back angle (if that is the area shown you are wanting carved) along. That's just my way of thinking...food for thought. Your tree though.

Hi Cadillactaste.

This is the areas that I would like to carve. The red circle I believe is just too flat and would like to put a few grooves in just to roughen it up and make it look more weathered.

The yellow circle will be the piece below the future canopy. Currently that is dead wood or busy dying as all growth is happening above the area. So I want to tidy it up but carving it and making it more natural looking then what it currently it.

Cadillactaste said:
What if you bring the canopy a bit more toward the viewer? What would that do to that area. I'm seeing it maybe a front angle shot.

Example...is how this could have all went to the side. But I brought it to come around to the front to show more depth. Just curious...it may hide that area in question as well. Or not.
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I definitely think that will work. With the virts I can only do the 2D view but I know when I repot it in Spring, that is something I will definitely be looking at.

Thanks for the feedback

Dorian Fourie · Apr 2, 2017

Crabman said:
What if you rotate it 180 degrees and reverse the right angle? or rotate it less than 180 but not completely down?

Hi Crabman

Not too sure what you mean?

sorce · Apr 2, 2017

Dorian Fourie said:
red circle I believe is just too flat

I think time will enhance it...

While a tool will do opposite.

That face there is cool too....

I wouldn't want to lose it.

There is a good tale in that DW.

Sorce

Dorian Fourie · Apr 2, 2017

sorce said:
I think time will enhance it...

While a tool will do opposite.

That face there is cool too....

I wouldn't want to lose it.

There is a good tale in that DW.

Sorce

It does look like a face. Agree.

Also a very valid point. There is no rush. The first thing is to let it grow and then repot in Spring. Once that is done and settled (Oct / Nov 2017) then I will look at it again. Canopy needs to be developed too so way more important things to do first.

Cadillactaste · Apr 2, 2017

Honestly...that area looks so natural. Carving never totally for the most part looks as such. Just food for thought. That was not the area I thought was in question. But further up on the trunk way closer to the canopy.

Enjoy the tree...it's special.

Dorian Fourie · Jun 15, 2017

Quick Update on this Bougie.

It is currently winter here in SA and temps are dropping close to 0 Celcius but luckily nothing into the - yet. I decided that it is time to start removing the upper most layer of the soil around the one side of the roots. My thinking here is that the side that I removing the soil, will ultimately be the area above the future soil line. All the roots in this area will be exposed in the future so I would rather start exposing them slowly now to dry out and harden off to a degree. My concern is that if I leave it till the repot in Spring, then I may sit with a situation that the heat could damage the roots.

I removed all the weeds and slowly started to remove the soil. There were some smaller roots that I cut off as they will not be needed in the future.

I will leave it now for a few weeks to make sure everything is fine and then remove some more soil.
The tree is healthy and even starting to flower.

Dorian Fourie · Sep 9, 2017

My Bougie is in full flower and very very healthy.

Temps are rising steadily here so as soon as the flowers fall off it will be time to get the tree into its new pot and position. I am really looking forward to it. I have done some cutting back on the canopy but I know that the next 2 - 3 seasons will be ensuring that I get that right before looking at putting it on show.

sorce · Sep 9, 2017

Dorian Fourie said:
My Bougie is in full flower and very very healthy.

Temps are rising steadily here so as soon as the flowers fall off it will be time to get the tree into its new pot and position. I am really looking forward to it. I have done some cutting back on the canopy but I know that the next 2 - 3 seasons will be ensuring that I get that right before looking at putting it on show.
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I hope you got help with that!

I don't know what the wood is like on these....

But It looks like it could use some bracing for moving around.
Wood and wire? Foam and tape?

I would imagine this being a Bitch to pot on the perfect angle...

It totally deserves perfection!

Love it.

Sorce

sorce · Sep 9, 2017

sorce said:
Wood and wire? Foam and tape?

Damn!

I'd keep that stuff close just to assist in getting it in correct...

Like....

If you want it an inch from the pot, tape an inch of foam to the pot first.

The trunk so far above the lip...."so far" of Wood there to tie it down against.

Maybe it ain't that serious.

But this is a beaut!

Sorce

Dorian Fourie · Sep 9, 2017

sorce said:
Damn!

I'd keep that stuff close just to assist in getting it in correct...

Like....

If you want it an inch from the pot, tape an inch of foam to the pot first.

The trunk so far above the lip...."so far" of Wood there to tie it down against.

Maybe it ain't that serious.

But this is a beaut!

Sorce

Thanks Sorce

I am stressing about transplanting this especially because it will be coming over the edge of the pot. But I love the suggestions and going to make sure that I have all of that at hand. I will also be making sure that I have some experienced hands with me when I do the transplanting. But thanks and yes I agree with you. This is a beaut.

sorce · Sep 9, 2017

Yeah..the coral thread has me knowing you're wholly prepared!

Your work is impressive bro!

This is a wonderful time of year for me!

Sorce

Dorian Fourie · Sep 9, 2017

sorce said:
Yeah..the coral thread has me knowing you're wholly prepared!

Your work is impressive bro!

This is a wonderful time of year for me!

Sorce

Thanks buddy

Appreciate the comments

Phillthy · Sep 27, 2017

any update on this tree?

thumblessprimate1 · Sep 28, 2017

@Dorian Fourie Have you considered a literati penjing, lean it the other way?

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