Preparing to dig a rather large yew, looking for additional advice in case I am missing something...

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Same here. I have these hand saws I get through work called Fanno that do most of my root cutting. Those can also just be shoved into the dirt and used to cut a circle around the tree and through roots. We use them in the air trimming trees. Go through a 2" oak limb in 4 swipes.
I know most people wouldn't even think of using a chain saw. But when bent over digging and prying and standing up and bending over after a while you want to expedite matters. Chain saws do just that.
 

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My buddy in IA has had nearly 100% success digging them. He digs a big trench all the way around, then under, and lifts a pretty big root ball. If possible, transplant that into your yard for a year, then "re-collect" it after it has regenerated roots.

He cuts the top back pretty hard; leaving a few shoots/suckers as close to the bottom of each trunk you hope to keep. They should pop back along each trunk. Remember to leave some wood to carve!

Live veins tend to be recessed on yews; opposite from junipers, whose veins are raised.

Plant in shade, mist trunk and foliage several times daily.

Once potted, they seem to appreciate a good amount of pumice, and do well in quite a bit of shade.

I'll send this post to him and see if I can convince him to add some comments...

Agree Brian. I lost those two gorgeous yews last winter after removing them from dense soil, putting it in turface/lava/pumice and cut off too much green. So if it's really nice material, I'd rather be safe than sorry.
 

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My Wife failed to tell me we had a 5 hour drive to and from before we left so the dig has begun at 9AM today here. It is going to be a LONG day:eek:

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It is difficult to see the base but it appears it is straight for at least 12 - 14 inches and I figure after uncovering the base I will find a few more along with some flare. I am hoping there is a couple of thicker branches that can/could be carved as well.

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It may be even larger. On the ones I dug, I found the flare kept increasing as you went into the ground and found the lowest radial spread of roots. It's always a nice surprise to see that, but makes the dig even tougher. The chain saw should help - good luck!
 

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Agree Brian. I lost those two gorgeous yews last winter after removing them from dense soil, putting it in turface/lava/pumice and cut off too much green. So if it's really nice material, I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Sorry to hear that Chris. I'm on my fourth or fifth year of working on collected yews and can share a little more of my experience. Of the six that were dug, I still have four. One of the ones that didn't make it was collected from a very dry/rocky yard, and I wasn't able to get many roots - after hitting it with my lawn mower in the middle of the summer it fell out of the pot and shortly thereafter croaked. The other died more recently as noted below.

After digging the yews, that spring I worked the rootballs hard, getting out as much of the field soil (mostly heavy red clay for most of the ones I dug) as possible, and put the trees in an inorganic mix. I kept as many fine feeder roots as possible to put the tree into a decent sized container. I also cut the tops back quite a bit, leaving a good 6-12 inches of extra material for what I thought would be the final image. That helped me to keep extra foliage on the tree, as well as have extra material to work into deadwood or otherwise cut back if there was dieback.

A year or two later, I found on the next repot that the yews had put out an incredible amount of fine feeder roots, and abandoned most of the larger original roots. That helped me to put the trees into an even smaller container, as I was able to cut off the larger roots that were abandoned.

Aside from the root growth, the foliage growth the first year after collection was very strong. However, I found that the foliage growth generally slowed pretty dramatically in the second and third years, even with all the new fine feeder roots. The root balls also didn't grow all that much more from that first year as well. My sense is that the yews have a lot of stored energy to help them through the first year, then they are pretty depleted after. The smaller yews that I dug were fine, but two of my larger yews appeared to suffer more. One of my larger yews didn't make it after the 2013-2014 rough winter we had (probably because it was weaker than I thought). My other one seems to be doing ok, but I went ahead and planted it in the ground to hopefully get it stronger. It was in an Anderson flat, but the container seemed to be staying too wet so hopefully the ground helps. Even three or four years after collection, the root ball had not appreciatively increased from where the rootball was a year after collection.

So my sense is that you can work the rootballs and tops pretty hard on collection, just keep as much foliage and roots as possible. You might get strong root and foliage growth that first year after collection, but don't let that give you false confidence in the strength of the tree as they seem to slow down significantly in years 2 and 3. I would work them hard, get them into the smallest containers you can, and then not touch them for a good 2-3 years, especially if they are on the larger side. If I had to guess, I think the mistake made by the guy in the Hans van Meer blog was that he started working the tree too hard right after collection, and didn't give the tree a chance to recuperate. I saw the tree in person and it was a gorgeous tree too - too bad.

For what it's worth, I think this principle also applies to old collected boxwoods as well. Don't let the foliage and root growth after the first year of collection fool you - the trees are probably a lot weaker with energy stores depleted than you think.
 

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3 hours in and so far underneath this mess I have a lot of fine feeder roots and what appears to be NO Anchor root. The horizontal roots are very heavy and close to the surface and I kept the total width of the large ones at 32 - 35 inches keeping the feeders. Lots more to do and I will post more pictures for certain when I have the mass under control :eek: Seems the base width before the horizontals varies between 10 and 13 inches depending on angle.

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Keep them misted while you dig too!
I certainly have done that! The clay earth was rinsed a bit and dried while I took those - they continue to be wet now until pull and place :) Taking a beer break and back at it.

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Grim,
I hope you feel good today.
Time for a modified day-after pill....?

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Grim,
I hope you feel good today.
Time for a modified day-after pill....?

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Little sore today but really not bad! I put it in 40 pounds of pumice mixed with 40 pounds of rich top soil and then covered the surface with topsoil. It is supposed to rain for a few days and I did not want the pumice to float out... It has not started to rain so I took this quick picture and will take more when the weather calms down and I clean it up a bit more. I figure the total weight of this to be a shade under 200 in the tub:eek:

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Also cut two more way back so they can be trimmed proper after budding. If number one does not make it I have two more on reserve :rolleyes: The cleanup involved a small dump truck :eek:

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Awesome work! Hope the rest of your collections turn out as well. Will this bud on old wood from the giant hack atack?
 

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Awesome work! Hope the rest of your collections turn out as well. Will this bud on old wood from the giant hack atack?

Nobody here has mentioned it but Potter has mentioned a few times his collected yew are basically a stripped stump and allowed to get stable for work in 3 - 5 years. He estimates it is an average of 10 - 15 years before he pots them as that is how long he works them. He also uses rich organic soil so I mixed Dry Stall and rich Top Soil 40 pounds each... There is different opinions so I just read and take a shot at it :confused:

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Nobody here has mentioned it but Potter has mentioned a few times his collected yew are basically a stripped stump and allowed to get stable for work in 3 - 5 years. He estimates it is an average of 10 - 15 years before he pots them as that is how long he works them. He also uses rich organic soil so I mixed Dry Stall and rich Top Soil 40 pounds each... There is different opinions so I just read and take a shot at it :confused:

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Grimmy,

Where you getting your Drystall from these days? Seems no local source around here anymore. thanks.
 

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No post-dig pictures? Come-old, don't be a tease.. Show us what you've got! :D
 

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Grimmy,

Where you getting your Drystall from these days? Seems no local source around here anymore. thanks.

Agway in Dublin PA almost always has it in stock. If they don't they call you within a day or two and tell you when it arrives. I only had to wait one time and it was two days.

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Had a chance to take these a few minutes ago. Once the ground dries a bit I will get it on a cart and get different angles and better shots. For now it is in the utility corner of the property out of direct sun and it is a bit muddy right now.

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